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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by jimmyx
Obama hasn't killed any children. provide clear and positive evidence of this, or you are just another one of the hundreds of Obama haters on this site.
Hmmm... I guess you missed the thread of the Soldier who quit after murdering a kid with a drone strike.
You DO realize, that whole program is run under authority of the President of the Untied States, right?? It was under Bush and it is under Obama. We can't fly little death machines into whatever nation we feel like killing people in....without SOMEONE authorizing it. At this level, where wars can start from a mistake? Only one man in the American system has authority to approve it's ongoing operation.
Thank Barack Obama for the fleets of killer drones still operating from Bush's tenure. ...and they ABSOLUTELY DO KILL KIDS. Where have you been on this? Locked in MSNBC news where bad things about Obama never happen or something?
It all started in China, where gunpowder was first created. In the ninth century, alchemists blended charcoal, saltpeter and sulfur into a powder called huo yao, which was used to treat skin infections
Historians typically recognize Chinese fire lances, which were invented in the 10th century, as the first guns. These bamboo or metal tubes projected flames and shrapnel at their targets. Cannons appeared in Italy around 1320, where they were modified as European nations waged many wars. By the 16th century, European firearms had become far more advanced -- and far more deadly -- than their counterparts in the East.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Kurokage
Well, first... I'm going to outright scream the next time a Non-American (in particular..we have Americans too and they are FAR WORSE for the ignorance) claims guns are strictly for killing things.
GUNS ARE NOT ..NEVER HAVE BEEN..NEVER WILL BE..AND ARE NOT GENERALLY OWNED WITH THE EXPRESS, EXCLUSIVE AND SOLE PURPOSE OF KILLING OTHER LIVING THINGS. PERIOD. PERIOD PERIOD.
Thanks...I HAD to get that out. I've seen this outright lie and B.S. repeated so many times now I swear I would punch someone in the nose if I heard it said in person right now.
Now.... Having said that? If firearms weren't a right under the Untied States Constitution? You could permit, license, restrict ownership and require any number of hurdles to have to cross before simply OWNING one. However, as much as this seems a point of silly detail to Non-Americans...
THIS POINT IS WHAT AMERICANS HAVE...AND WILL...GO TO CIVIL WAR OVER. PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT.
Constitutional *RIGHTS* are not now, nor have they EVER BEEN negotiable. Only one body of men and women on Earth can interpret that document with final say. That is the Supreme Court.
As it happens..THEY DID interpret that document..and not 200 years ago either. They looked over this WHOLE THING just THREE years ago in 2009. In that review? They sided with me and flat out against everything you are suggesting in concept., let alone real world practice. It's not a possibility because IT'S NOT LEGAL. ..and under our system? IT NEVER CAN BE.
It gets frustrating to no end because we've having the same debate ENDLESSLY because people don't seem to understand the meaning, weight and FORCE of the Constitution. Ot over-rides everything else...EVERYTHING ELSE...and it IS the law as the Supers say. Well, in 2009 they said....and they said this is a moot point.
I've seen many American posters sarcasticallly claim cars, knives, drugs blah blah blah....kill people, should they be banned too??? Well, I own a car here in the UK, to do so, first I must pass a driving test, then as a new driver, insurance companies make it difficult for you to own an expensive car to start with by charging a premium for new drivers, I then need the car to pass an MOT MOT? which is every year and road tax either every six months or yearly.
Shouldn't a tool soley designed to kill (self defense or not) have even stricter rules and laws than owning and buying a car, a person before even being able to own or fire a gun should be able to prove safe gun control and have some kind of physc test?
Shouldn't a person who then owns guns have police vist there homes to make sure the owner keeps their guns safe and out of reach of others? If a person in the household is suffering a mental illness, shouldn't someone in some kind of medical or police authority be told, even moving the weapons to somewhere more secure till the person can prove they are safe to be around weapons and shouldn't this be done routinely?
Originally posted by racer451
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
and the guy in China tried mass REDRUM with a knife.
the moral decision to conduct an honest an moral life cannot be legislated. Steel and gun powder and lead dont make a man evil.
What did Jeffry Dahmer use?
How many young people did he kill?
Originally posted by Kurokage
reply to post by racer451
And compared to the rest of the world how many gun totting lunies have gone on the rampage in American??
You need to take responsabilty for actions in American when it comes to gun ownership, most of you would prefer to jump up and down like a child when you take his toy away and just skip past the part of discussing the problem like adults.edit on 20-12-2012 by Kurokage because: (no reason given)