The Zero-point

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Tell me your next thought....................... What is your next thought?

Pour a drink

Where did it come from and where does it go?

from a glass and down my mouth

What hears or knows that thought? Where does it appear?

satisfied customer. Burp!

Merry Xmas Itsnowagain

Xmas.
X marks the spot.
Draw a compass. Look at the compass and point to your location on it.
Where are you pointing?

reply to post by Itisnowagain

Xmas.
X marks the spot.
Draw a compass. Look at the compass and point to your location on it.
Where are you pointing?

Im pointing at the tip of the compass.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Xmas.
X marks the spot.
Draw a compass. Look at the compass and point to your location on it.
Where are you pointing?

Im pointing at the tip of the compass.

Do you mean at the end of a spoke? Or in the middle, where the lines cross?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


I mean on that real pointy end bit of the compass where you wouldnt like to stick you finger on.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

I mean on that real pointy end bit of the compass where you wouldnt like to stick you finger on.

I asked you to 'draw' a compass. If you 'draw' a compass there is no real pointy bit that will stick in your finger.
So if you draw a compass and it looks like a cross with n,e,s,w on it where do you point when you point to your location?

reply to post by Itisnowagain



I think what you want me to say is i will point the middle focal of compass which the arms of the compass can be rotated aroud.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

I think what you want me to say is i will point the middle focal of compass which the arms of the compass can be rotated aroud.

I didn't want you to tell me what you think i will want you to say. I just asked you where you would point?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There is form but no thing 's'.
The form is formed from formlessness.
When the formlessness (nothing) is found, it is obvious that there is only the one form. The one form is formed out of nothing.

If something is formed from the nothingness, then it can be returned to the nothingness.

reply to post by jiggerj

Everything you mention is made out of air, which is very much something, and sound is created by atoms in the air bouncing against one another. Please give an example of something created that does not use anything in this universe to begin with?

A white hole. There are postulated by science to exist and are opposites to black holes.

reply to post by Itisnowagain



I will point at an abriturary location on the compass probably straight in the middle of the drawing.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
There is form but no thing 's'.
The form is formed from formlessness.
When the formlessness (nothing) is found, it is obvious that there is only the one form. The one form is formed out of nothing.

If something is formed from the nothingness, then it can be returned to the nothingness.

Originally posted by AthlonSavage
reply to post by jiggerj

 

Everything you mention is made out of air, which is very much something, and sound is created by atoms in the air bouncing against one another. Please give an example of something created that does not use anything in this universe to begin with?

A white hole. There are postulated by science to exist and are opposites to black holes.

Don't know enough about them, but can we assume that white holes don't just magically appear, and need energy from somewhere to get started?

Don't know enough about them, but can we assume that white holes don't just magically appear, and need energy from somewhere to get started?

My brain has shot down for night sleep time. Mabey Itsnowagain can answer this?

Originally posted by jiggerj
We know that EVERYTHING IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE is made of energy, and energy can only be transformed, not destroyed. Energy always remains in one form or another.

The everything in the entire universe is energy, it is all there is. And that energy is formed as what is happening presently. This is it - all of it now, presently, in one lump. One lump. This is the current configuration.
That one lump is separated out into many things by the minding, the labeling, the naming. The one thing is not any thing in paricular until words and ideas are put on it.

This here presently is not a thing. But all 'things' come out of it (from naming). The words can decieve one into believing there is more than there is. It is nice to play but when the words build more than one can cope with, when they build a big, bad scary world it can be overwhelming. It can be a relief to know that it only appears to exist in the dream world in mind, made of wisps of thought, appearing in this space of now. What is real is the space that the wisps of thought appear within. The space is aware of what appears in it. That space seems to produce and see what it produces. That space is often overlooked. The finding of the space or the no thingness is what is longed for.

I like this the first chapter of the tao te ching.

The tao that can be told
is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named
is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.
Naming is the origin
of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.
Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations
arise from the same source.
This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.
The gateway to all understanding.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

You'll like the following Kena Upanishad passage very much :

He by whom It is not thought out, has the thought of It; he
by whom It is thought out, knows It not. It is unknown to
the discernment of those who discern of It, by those who
seek not to discern of It, It is discerned.

When It is known by perception that reflects It, then one
has the thought of It, for one finds immortality; by the self
one finds the force to attain and by the knowledge one finds
immortality.

If here one comes to that knowledge, then one truly is; if here
one comes not to the knowledge, then great is the perdition...

reply to post by D1ss1dent

Ask "ABBA"....the Father.

reply to post by CosmicCitizen

Funny... but the "Abba" you're talking about isn't a person.

Originally posted by D1ss1dent
The Zero-point or Absolute:

How far can logic pierce the secret of life?

Every time you see A, you replace it with AB and every time you see B, you replace it with A. Let start with A:

S0: A
S1; AB
S2: ABA
S3: ABAAB
S4: ABAABABA
S5: ABAABABAABAAB
S6: ABAABABAABAABABAABABA
S7: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAAB
S8: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABA
S9: ABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAABABAABABAABAABABAABAAB
Sx: ...

That is called the infinite Fibonacci word. This logic shows us that something can grow never-endingly: A and B can be replaced with any numbers, letters, symbols, 2d & 3d forms, sounds, etc., etc. You can also take two different sequences (Sx), infinitely, and make new words, infinitely. In other words, logic can create infinities, infinitely.

Philosophically/spiritually speaking, it could be translated as: we are all one (everyone is the Zero-point).

What are your thoughts on that?

??

Brb