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It is stated that God asked Nanak to drink from the cup of Naam (Path/Essence of God) and then promoted Nanak to the highest of all status. From there on he was known as Guru Nanak so that he could teach the world that there is one God, that all humanity is one, and that religious divisions are man-made.
This has HUGE implications on the Old Testament.
John 5:37-46 The scriptures he spoke of is the Tenach and Torah (old testament books), the NT hadn't been written yet and Moses only wrote about God.
John 8:56-59 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.” 57 The Jews then said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[d] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 59 So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple.
So, the God who was on Mt. Sinai with Moses and showed him his back, was the one who later came as Jesus. Jesus is the OT God, it is not given to everyone to know this nor is it given to everyone to understand but by the Holy Spirit who reveals him.
What it has is HUGE implications on supposed Christians who don't believe what Jesus said and want to mold God into who they want him to be.
When you use mysticism, you're practicing divination, We know what the Bible says about that.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
When you use mysticism, you're opening yourself up to all spirits. The Bible says that the Holy Spirit bares witness of the Father (God) and the Son (Jesus). If you're opening up yourself to a spirit that tells you that the God of the Old Testament isn't Jesus' Father, as Jesus said he was, you're not subjecting yourself to the Holy Spirit, but others spirits.
Who baptized you?
Jesus wasn't the only one to perform miracles and say that he and the Father are One.
An Evangelical Preacher who spent 14 months w me on intense Bible & theological studies. Weeks after the baptism, a Holy Divine Presence came over me and entered into the top of my head, down to my feet, slaying my ego, instilling me with Third eye vision, Divine Love for all people, Foresight/Foreknowledge, Ecstatic/Rapture, etc. I literally was like a newborn, having to relearn to function in society because of the empathy, ecstacy, and ego slaying.
What exactly were you doing at the time this "Holy Divine Presence" came over you? Why weeks after the baptism? Was there something specifically that you were going through or doing at the moment that it happened?
He's referencing Abraham, saying that he knows him, because he himself has always been, always existed. For Jesus to outright tell the Jews that the OT God was a demiurge, well then he wouldn't be able to get his teachings across because they'd all want to stone him from the start.
Originally posted by dominicus
I was seeking, knocking, asking if God was real, applying myself w/ the studies, wrestling with theological questions, with philosophical inquiry, pray, meditate, wonder, following Christ's precepts, etc.
When it happened, I was laying down ready to fall asleep and the presence came. My ego thought it was death, that I was about to die, and so fear came up, grasping and clinging came up, and then a quick split second realization that if this is physical death, then who am I to stop it if we all die one day. Well instead of physical death, it was an ego death with Mystical enlightening qualities to it that lasted years and years.
My roommates at the time when this happened, were all aware of this presence and were scared sh**less as to what this was. Eventually, they too became Christians and both of them also had an opportunity to undergo this Mystical death, but they got sooooo freaked out about when the time came, they pushed away the Spirit and never went through it.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
First you claim Jesus is Torah made flesh... Now you say he was responsible for Sodom and Gomorrah...
Are you going to claim he taught killing women and children was ok?
Tell me if I'm mistaken, but you were seeking and asking if God was real AFTER you got baptized?
What mystical enlightening qualities did you have that lasted years?
Dude, the death of an ego wouldn't scare the living daylights out of you and bring on fear.
The Holy Spirit doesn't come in fear.
This was NOT the Holy Spirit that you or your friends were experiencing.
I don't think that you weren't totally grounded in the Christian faith before you started playing with fire.
... slaying my ego... Meister Eckhart. a Christian Mystic: "The eye with which I see God is the same with which God sees me. My eye and God's eye is one eye, and one sight, and one knowledge, and one love."