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The downfall is the self serving nature of human, the ego, the greed and the counter force is the good nature, sense of justice, empathy and intelligence to learn and predict conseqùences of actions.
I was hoping for some suggestions that backup your statement that the Bible is Medieval fiction.
I would move the New Testament and Christianity out of the Abrahamic group and leave that to the Jews and Muslims.
The Roman and Greek Pantheons were outmoded when Christianity became the "Religion of State" - maybe it will take a similar demolition of the Abrahamic pantheon for us to move forward spiritually. For whatever good people find in it, things are definitely not improving, and it's pretty evident things will NOT improve as long as these dusty tomes are held up as "sacred."
Still, there are people whose egos are
ENHANCED by doing the less
destructive, more altruistic thing.
She was never the leader of the church, nor did she create the church. She never claimed to be a prophet. She had a vision where it was metaphorical of the church being like travelers on a road to heaven and some falling off and not making it because they got distracted. She thought the vision was about her own group of Adventists, so she became a person of interest to the church leaders, as if it was some sort of evidence that they were right. She often accused the leaders of leading the church astray.
How do you feel about Ellen White?
Can you refer us to a page that represents the current, real SDA; in my searches I've found plenty of sites about them, but some make it look more outlandish than others.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by logical7
I don't believe in a win-win mentality for Christianity. See, it's like this: either you're cursed into worshiping "God", or you get cursed again. He designed all of us so that we would have no choice but to worship him or go to hell. That's not a win-win, that's coercion. If it was win-win, there would be no hell. You would see the glory in him, and you would naturally align yourself with that. Anyone who chooses otherwise, goes to Satan.
It's much more fun to cast your pawns against a friendly opponent, than to convince your pawns to play for you. No one has to threaten their team, because they are not testing the boundaries. Why would you set the game up so that you either gain a soul or lose a tiny piece of creation?
it is a win-win, but if a person chooses to lose then how can anyone help him/her?
its like an open test, with answers to all questions known, now if someone refuses to give the right answers and fails, was it the examiner at fault?
you should define worship too. God just wants us to do the right thing. now if you say that you know whats right yet dont bend to the only One who deserves it then its a clash of ego.
When the examiner designed the
student, wrote the test in Japanese,
demands an essay on how much he
likes him, then tells him if he doesn't
promise to marry him the student will
be flunked...yes. That poses a few problems.
If "God" just wants us to do the right
thing, why did he invent sin? Why did
he create "Satan"? Why did he make
he designed us to choose.
He designed us to fail
he deserves it? I don't see much good
in him. I see him playing. I see him messing around. I see him getting
bored. I see him drifting away,
to do the right thing there has to be a choice to do wrong too. And a wrong turn changes the destination too, and if all roads lead to Rome, why should i have to choose the path.
he designed us to choose.
who else deserves it? Self worship? Forgetting us? No, thats by design. If you smoke and the cigarette just disappears each time as its not good for you then would you not complain? Now if you question why He let the cigarette be made then refer to the initial part of this post, and keep circling.
But you defeat the point if you
prohibit all sin
design us to choose - he designed us
to struggle against not having a
the knowledge of right and wrong shouldnt be given? Sin wasnt made to do, it was made to be avoided.
exactly! Just let me put it as, He designed us to not struggle to remain detached from Him but He gave us one choice, to submit or not.