Is Ayn Rands “Atlas Shrugged” a prophecy? It’s starting to look likely.

I’m reading the book for the third time. Much of it is contradictory regarding the characters views, but overall, the world depicted in that book is starting to manifest in real time.

Oh, sure, people have been saying that for years. But now we in the US are actually seeing it. All due to this current Government.

Redistribution of wealth. The bottom line of the book.

Maybe it is time for the Wall Street fat cats to go on strike and let’s see where that takes us. Of course that takes morals and values and I think that they have been corrupted as well.

Myself? I don’t think it will work out to well. Mankind requires competition to survive.

But I am interested in your thoughts on this.

reply to post by TDawgRex


I thought of that book while reading the thread on what are the governments getting ready for.
Sounds like the elite are preparing to abandon ship.

I read the book many years ago and have forgotten most of the details. I bought the dvd not realising it was only the first part. It does seem to be a preview of the world to come.

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Can't say I am a fan of the movie, but rarely does a book transfer to film intact.

The book has the message, while the movie is a watered down version that is easy to ignore.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
I’m reading the book for the third time. Much of it is contradictory regarding the characters views, but overall, the world depicted in that book is starting to manifest in real time.

Oh, sure, people have been saying that for years. But now we in the US are actually seeing it. All due to this current Government.

Redistribution of wealth. The bottom line of the book.

Maybe it is time for the Wall Street fat cats to go on strike and let’s see where that takes us. Of course that takes morals and values and I think that they have been corrupted as well.

Myself? I don’t think it will work out to well. Mankind requires competition to survive.

But I am interested in your thoughts on this.

edit on 29-11-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)

How much more competition do you need dude?

The rich AKA producers are becoming richer at a rate that far outpaces the lazy worker peons.

I check a website for an insurance quote a month back and I received over 50 phone calls that day,
so many phone calls that my phone lost count.

There are so many options it is insane...

The producers are in fact the same people petitioning and taking over the government.

All of this has accelerated since her philosophy has become popular oddly enough.

The characters in atlas shrugged are

Operating head of a Railroad
Steel producer
Copper miner
Engineer

'Wall street fat cat' is not a profession in the book of a protagonist. If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse.

reply to post by Thepump

so, how is this exemplary of competition ?

The rich AKA producers are becoming richer at a rate that far outpaces the lazy worker peons.

There are so many options it is insane...

except, the option to be insurance-free

All of this has accelerated since her philosophy has become popular oddly enough.

her philosophy doesn't support wealth-redistribution ... perhaps you should read the book.

As far as I am concerned going forward, YOU voted for him, YOU OWN IT!

Of course, I don't mean "you" to be directed at you, OP. "YOU" know who you are.

Originally posted by filosophia
The characters in atlas shrugged are

Operating head of a Railroad
Steel producer
Copper miner
Engineer

'Wall street fat cat' is not a profession in the book of a protagonist. If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse.

you missed a few, Mouch for one.

and, i'd guess, you don't remember the UPS strike a few decades ago, either ?
when or if the "character types you listed" strike, the economy nearly grinds to a halt.

in case you haven't noticed, the US doesn't produce steel like it used to ... we have more copper thieves than miners (of any kind) ... engineers are one of the biggest groups of unemployed ppl currently ... and the railroads are bordering bankruptcy ... so, why isn't our economy doing better, as you claim ?

reply to post by TDawgRex


They will never strike only move to where the money is...

I read the book quite a while ago. I would have to re-read it to see if these "codes" made any sense,
(I thought Galt was the good gut back when I read it! If it is meant to be Rothschild, I'd have a change of opinion!)

In the mid-1950′s Philippe Rothschild ordered one of his mistresses, Ayn Rand, an established authoress and philosopher, to undertake the writing of this code to the witches of the world. This novel, Atlas Shrugged, was never intended to be a best seller, although it turned out to be one.
The main characters of Atlas Shrugged are code names for individuals or companies.
The code is as follows:
John Galt — Philippe Rothschild Dagny Taggart — Ayn Rand Dagny’s brother — The combined Railroad System Ellis Wyatt — David Rockefeller Hank Rearden — U.S. Steel, Bethlehem Steel Francisco D’Anconia —
Combined Copper Mines Galt, D’Anconia, and the Pirate –Rothschild Tribunal The Tribunal in the book went around convincing certain major corporation presidents of their philosophy and plan, getting them to bankrupt their own businesses.
The owners of these companies would then vanish and leave with either Galt or D’Anconia to a retreat area in the Colorado mountain regions. “Colorado” is the code name for the “Bermuda Triangle”, the place where the key figures of the Illuminati will be when the world crashes.

truth11.com...

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by 1PLA1

 

Can't say I am a fan of the movie, but rarely does a book transfer to film intact.

The book has the message, while the movie is a watered down version that is easy to ignore.

So true TDawg....I really dislike seeing a movie after reading the book. But I read this so long ago -very early twenties I think (age not years...lol) that I figured I wouldn't be disappointed since I didn't remember details. Besides at that age, the message of the book went way over my head.

Originally posted by filosophia
The characters in atlas shrugged are

Operating head of a Railroad
Steel producer
Copper miner
Engineer

'Wall street fat cat' is not a profession in the book of a protagonist. If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse.

Yep, all of the so-called production in America was moved in the last 2 decades to China and India. Atlas shrugged years ago this is the post shrug America. lol

reply to post by Honor93


Because those professions listed are antiquated for the most at this time in this country. I'd be more concerned with hospital workers, electrical workers, and farmers ceasing their work.

To be fair, I can only relate to this post so much as I haven't read the book but I'm getting a pretty good understanding of the meaning behind the book just be reading these posts.

Originally posted by Honor93

Originally posted by filosophia
The characters in atlas shrugged are

Operating head of a Railroad
Steel producer
Copper miner
Engineer

'Wall street fat cat' is not a profession in the book of a protagonist. If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse.

you missed a few, Mouch for one.

and, i'd guess, you don't remember the UPS strike a few decades ago, either ?
when or if the "character types you listed" strike, the economy nearly grinds to a halt.

in case you haven't noticed, the US doesn't produce steel like it used to ... we have more copper thieves than miners (of any kind) ... engineers are one of the biggest groups of unemployed ppl currently ... and the railroads are bordering bankruptcy ... so, why isn't our economy doing better, as you claim ?

Mouch was not a main character, sorry I didn't mention all the characters there's probably over a hundred. And yes, the strike is supposed to grind the economy to a halt, the book atlas shrugged was originally to be called 'the strike' but rand thought it would give away too much too early, too simplistic of a title.

The US doesn't produce steel like it used to, meaning Ayn Rand was prophetic and ahead of her time. You are misreading the book, those important occupations are on strike/have already left, so that's why the economy is sinking. You can't have an economy when you produce zero iron ore and barely any steel. You think I meant the economy should get better because we don't produce steel? Way off the mark.

reply to post by Honor93


Reardon, the steel producer, never actually leaves, but the rest leave, which causes the economy to collapse and the government socialists (James Taggart) to lose control and go insane. Then, the producers return when the law is no longer tyrannical, THAT is what causes the economy to do better. You said that I implied the economy would get better because the real producers left? Either you misunderstood what I was saying or you misunderstood Atlas Shrugged, either way I never claimed the economy would get better because the producers left. That is the complete opposite of what atlas shrugged is actually about.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Thepump

 

so, how is this exemplary of competition ?

The rich AKA producers are becoming richer at a rate that far outpaces the lazy worker peons.

Did you read the book?

In her book "the producers" virtually leave society because they are stifled.

There are so many options it is insane...

except, the option to be insurance-free





Oh WOW!

You mean one thing out of the billions of things available is mandated?

Poor Baby!

her philosophy doesn't support wealth-redistribution ... perhaps you should read the book.

Her philosophy is that greed and self interest should be championed, not frowned upon.

Yet, the people that comprise corporations and governments perpetrate their evil deeds based upon the
forces of greed and self interest.

As a business owner I see the story differently. These people were trying to create businesses and jobs and the government kept getting in the way and stifling that. There were lobbies and payoffs and everything we see now holding back good businesses.

Eventually in business it can get to the point where the stress isn't worth the work you put into. " You didn't build that"? I'm not even American and I found that offensive. People build businesses and to create something you have to care about it. Steve Jobs was not so angry about Samsung over money. It's an ideal. Business people build businesses. When it begins to make money and you need help, you hire people to help. Profit is a reward for the hard work you put into it. If you don't think it's hard try building a businesses and discover the stress and sacrifice. The employees do not sacrifice for the businesses, the owners do. If something goes wrong I can't say "No pay for you this week, not enough profit." My family does without because it's our business.

On the government side it's crazy. For every $1.00 an employee pays to unemployment insurance we pay $1.50 on their behalf. We're not entitled to unemployment benefits. If there's no work, too bad for us. For every $1.00 an employee pays into CPP (Canadian Pension Plan) we have to match their $1.00. That is for their retirement, not ours. If the employees destroy things, lose contracts, etc. that's just risk, we have no recourse.

And yes when things go bad you just want to throw your hands up in the air, walk away and never hire another person. I have felt that way many times. So many people are just high on themselves. They show up late, mouth off at customers, break the truck etc. and they don't care, and I am not talking about kids. Out of 6 employees in the last two years, one cared about his job and was responsible and dependable. We pay $20 an hour and still can't get people to care. This is how they feed their family and still don't care. And now for the kicker. The one good employee was from India. We lost him because his wife wanted to move to a different city.

On the other side is competition. Good doesn't matter any more. Cheap matters. We contract to a good company who does good work. They are being undercut constantly and losing contracts. They are losing these contracts to a business with junk trucks and low paid workers. Someone in some office somewhere decided that to keep profits up.

The profits have to be kept up to keep investors interested. Who are the investors in these corps? Everyone with a retirement fund, everyone with a bank account in a bank that deals with investment, unions, etc. etc. Where does the greed start and end? I don't know. Big circle of everyone trying to get as much as they can and not realising the effect.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by Honor93

 

Reardon, the steel producer, never actually leaves, but the rest leave, which causes the economy to collapse and the government socialists (James Taggart) to lose control and go insane. Then, the producers return when the law is no longer tyrannical, THAT is what causes the economy to do better. You said that I implied the economy would get better because the real producers left? Either you misunderstood what I was saying or you misunderstood Atlas Shrugged, either way I never claimed the economy would get better because the producers left. That is the complete opposite of what atlas shrugged is actually about.

edit on 29-11-2012 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

It sounds like you're fitting the information to your theory. Honestly, this book was so poorly written it makes you wonder how it got published let alone maintain a fanbase.

I'm glad someone mentioned the Rothschild-Rand connection. That right there should throw up all sorts of red flags as to the integrity of the author and her circle of friends and fanatics.

Originally posted by Allende

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by Honor93

 

Reardon, the steel producer, never actually leaves, but the rest leave, which causes the economy to collapse and the government socialists (James Taggart) to lose control and go insane. Then, the producers return when the law is no longer tyrannical, THAT is what causes the economy to do better. You said that I implied the economy would get better because the real producers left? Either you misunderstood what I was saying or you misunderstood Atlas Shrugged, either way I never claimed the economy would get better because the producers left. That is the complete opposite of what atlas shrugged is actually about.

edit on 29-11-2012 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

It sounds like you're fitting the information to your theory. Honestly, this book was so poorly written it makes you wonder how it got published let alone maintain a fanbase.

I'm glad someone mentioned the Rothschild-Rand connection. That right there should throw up all sorts of red flags as to the integrity of the author and her circle of friends and fanatics.

It sounds like you never read the book. It may make you wonder how it got published, for everyone else it's pretty obvious, it's her best book and a literary masterpiece.

Your theory is there is some type of rothschild connection, so let's hear it, but I won't hold my breath for you to get around to that.

reply to post by TDawgRex


"Mankind requires competition to survive."

Bull#. Certain people have an issue with needing to compete. Competition is not necessary to survive.

Cooperation gets the job done.