Is Ayn Rands “Atlas Shrugged” a prophecy? It’s starting to look likely.

Originally posted by phantomjack
As far as I am concerned going forward, YOU voted for him, YOU OWN IT!

Of course, I don't mean "you" to be directed at you, OP. "YOU" know who you are.

There always has to be one to use this as an answer. This is not what the OP is talking about.

I highly doubt the last 4yrs are what turned this country into what it is. It's DECADES of screw ups!!


I also don't believe in voting. I use to think it matter but over the last few years I've come to terms with the fact that voting is all a sham. They make you think voting matters and your vote counts when it really doesn't. They will do whatever they want and have whoever they want. It's all part of the "plan." It seems to be working in their favor sadly....


OP. I haven't read the book or seen the movie in its entirety. I saw about half of it before I fell asleep. It's streaming on Netflix. I might actually give it another shot tonight since I am currently surfing Netflix for something to watch now.

I tend to think that the way the world is ending up was inevitable with the path we have been on. I don't think it's prophetic just what happens when things are based on certain ideals. It's mostly about power, greed and money. Conquer and divide. Take, take and take. Constantly going with all those things will lead to collapse and chaos. What is sad is that only a small group of people "run" things. If only we as a people on this planet would just stand up for ourselves but sadly many are too scared or too oblivious to even care. I mean you can't imprison the entire planet but you can't banish the small percent that has caused this huge mess.

I get sad at the world we live in because it could be so much better and much more peaceful. Nobody should be hungry or go without shelter. Many do so others can have more than they will ever need and that is just selfish greed. Maybe one day people will see and things will change.

reply to post by icmom

"The employees do not sacrifice for the business . . ."

Bull#. I ruined my health for the boss' business. That's how "invested" I was in it.

I can't work now.

Don't you ever say that employees don't sacrifice for their employers. It's a complete lie and you know it.

Originally posted by filosophia
The characters in atlas shrugged are

Operating head of a Railroad
Steel producer
Copper miner
Engineer

'Wall street fat cat' is not a profession in the book of a protagonist. If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse.

You forget 'someone named Chuck', whose hands smelled like Clorox from performing a janitor duty.

Oh wait, was the Chuck fellow used in "The Fountainhead"? Maybe. Well, Ayn Rand just loves the little people.

Originally posted by davidmann

Originally posted by filosophia
The characters in atlas shrugged are

Operating head of a Railroad
Steel producer
Copper miner
Engineer

'Wall street fat cat' is not a profession in the book of a protagonist. If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse.

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You forget 'someone named Chuck', whose hands smelled like Clorox from performing a janitor duty.

Not a main character, although John Galt works behind the scenes as a low level railroad worker-that basically obliterates the theory that John Galt is Phillip Rothscild, when has the rothschilds ever worked a low paying job, let alone a job at all?

And Reardon being Rockefeller? Please, why would the government steal from Reardon if he's Rockefeller? The Rothschild connection makes no sense, I know you didn't bring this up, just addressing the comment in general.

Originally posted by On the Edge

I read the book quite a while ago. I would have to re-read it to see if these "codes" made any sense,
(I thought Galt was the good gut back when I read it! If it is meant to be Rothschild, I'd have a change of opinion!)

In the mid-1950′s Philippe Rothschild ordered one of his mistresses, Ayn Rand, an established authoress and philosopher, to undertake the writing of this code to the witches of the world. This novel, Atlas Shrugged, was never intended to be a best seller, although it turned out to be one.
The main characters of Atlas Shrugged are code names for individuals or companies.
The code is as follows:
John Galt — Philippe Rothschild Dagny Taggart — Ayn Rand Dagny’s brother — The combined Railroad System Ellis Wyatt — David Rockefeller Hank Rearden — U.S. Steel, Bethlehem Steel Francisco D’Anconia —
Combined Copper Mines Galt, D’Anconia, and the Pirate –Rothschild Tribunal The Tribunal in the book went around convincing certain major corporation presidents of their philosophy and plan, getting them to bankrupt their own businesses.
The owners of these companies would then vanish and leave with either Galt or D’Anconia to a retreat area in the Colorado mountain regions. “Colorado” is the code name for the “Bermuda Triangle”, the place where the key figures of the Illuminati will be when the world crashes.

truth11.com...

Funny how all these truthseekers support a Rothschild endorsed document. That says it all.

reply to post by FreebirdGirl


I've read the book at least three times and see no connection to rothschild. However it is plausible that people would start this rumor based on her associations with Alan Greenspan (who is anything but a John Galt) in order to discredit her work. In fact the republicans always are waving the Ayn Rand banner but refusing to adhere to its principles, Paul Ryan being case in point. So until you can show with textual citations or at least generalized concepts how atlas shrugged is 'rothschild endorsed' I will have to conclude you probably never even read the book.

reply to post by PrplHrt


Did you? You're unusual then. Most people are at work for their pay check, not to build the business for someone else. You're an exception. What made you stay in that job if it was ruining your health? It wasn't your business so you clearly had no obligation.

And I have yet to have a employee sacrifice anything for our business. I've ever seen it for anyone else's either. Not sure how that makes me a liar.

reply to post by icmom

I stayed because I was a damn fool. My boss abused me, made me work 16-hour shifts against my will, punished me for making common sense decisions.

I did it for the paycheck because that's how I was raised. You get a job, you keep it. You take the good with the bad, you bring home the bacon no matter what it takes.

The stress destroyed me. I barely leave the house.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
Myself? I don’t think it will work out to well. Mankind requires competition to survive.

But I am interested in your thoughts on this.

edit on 29-11-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)

It is this exact attitude that keeps us in the rat race.

You cannot wax poetically about a Utopia and continue to ACT LIKE ANIMALS.

What makes us different from animals is our conscience awareness of our own soul.
We know better you can always play dumb. Yet a true man of God would understand our destiny is to rise above animals and as long as competition and pessimism run the day we will continue to be....

Lambs to the slaughter.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

I've read the book at least three times and see no connection to rothschild. However it is plausible that people would start this rumor based on her associations with Alan Greenspan (who is anything but a John Galt) in order to discredit her work. In fact the republicans always are waving the Ayn Rand banner but refusing to adhere to its principles, Paul Ryan being case in point. So until you can show with textual citations or at least generalized concepts how atlas shrugged is 'rothschild endorsed' I will have to conclude you probably never even read the book.

I prefer Vonnegut to that trash. A P. Rothchild connection to Ayn Rand makes all the sense in the world.
I never understood why American conservatives would support someone who hates christianity and supports greed. The values of Atlas Shrugges are anti American to the core. Yet some so called patroits support the book.
Only TPTB could have designed a plan like this. Anyway you enjoy your how to book on helping the Israelis dominate the world.Who am I to criticize it's working.

Originally posted by FreebirdGirl

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by FreebirdGirl

 

I've read the book at least three times and see no connection to rothschild. However it is plausible that people would start this rumor based on her associations with Alan Greenspan (who is anything but a John Galt) in order to discredit her work. In fact the republicans always are waving the Ayn Rand banner but refusing to adhere to its principles, Paul Ryan being case in point. So until you can show with textual citations or at least generalized concepts how atlas shrugged is 'rothschild endorsed' I will have to conclude you probably never even read the book.

I prefer Vonnegut to that trash. A P. Rothchild connection to Ayn Rand makes all the sense in the world.
I never understood why American conservatives would support someone who hates christianity and supports greed. The values of Atlas Shrugges are anti American to the core. Yet some so called patroits support the book.
Only TPTB could have designed a plan like this. Anyway you enjoy your how to book on helping the Israelis dominate the world.Who am I to criticize it's working.

Well you're clearly just being antagonistic by calling it trash without any actual reference to the actual plot. Again, which leads me to believe you never read it. So why should I take consideration of your criticism when you haven't read the book yet? Again, you provide no details how the book would benefit the rothschilds, whereas it clearly benefits the libertarian philosophy. Conservatives only give lip service to the book, which is funny considering Rand is anti-Christian, perhaps one thing I agree with you on. But as for greed, not exactly, that is more the character of James Taggart. The book even ridicules Dagny's wealth because it's in paper currency and not gold. The book is clearly American to the core since it is about keeping what you make.

And the book helps Israel? Lol. Please, elaborate on that one. How does refusing to pay taxes help Israel considering they make billions off of tax payers? Seriously, this is too funny.

reply to post by PrplHrt


Your boss was a lawbreaking a-hole. I don't think you're a fool. We are who we are and we all need work to survive. We don't take advantage of employees like that. We're responsible for them. I don't know how to explain that. I'm a person, they're people. Looking out for your employee's well being is part of building a business.

Originally posted by GrimReaper86
reply to post by Honor93

 

Because those professions listed are antiquated for the most at this time in this country. I'd be more concerned with hospital workers, electrical workers, and farmers ceasing their work.

To be fair, I can only relate to this post so much as I haven't read the book but I'm getting a pretty good understanding of the meaning behind the book just be reading these posts.

edit on 29-11-2012 by GrimReaper86 because: (no reason given)

antiquated ???
are you being facetious or serious ? i really can't tell.

just in case you're serious ... please explain your understanding of how so ?

farmers could not get the produce out to the public without the TRAINS they use today (several times a day btw)

electrical workers wouldn't have a grid to work on without the ENGINEERS that built/designed it.

and, hospital workers sure use and awful lot of STEEL products performing their daily duties.

so, without the Trains, Engineers or Steel manufacturers, how would those others continue to meet present expectations ??

oh, and copper mines are just as active today as they were 100yrs ago (before Ayn)
copper mining has been around much, much longer ... www.exploringthenorth.com...

so, now that we know these are hardly antiquated fields of employment, were you joking ?

rather focus on solely these posts ... at least review this cause you're missing the entire point of the story. www.atlassociety.org...

reply to post by Honor93


Yes, please don't antiquate the Engineers already. My daughter graduates next year and would hate to discover her career no longer exists.

And no jobs for engineers? ? I was on a jobs website yesterday and almost all the jobs were for engineers. Dozens of them just within an hour of me.

reply to post by mblahnikluver


I recommend that you read the book rather than watch the film.

Remember that the book was written in the fifties and they have tried to update it with the movie.

The book starts out pretty slow, identifying the players and motivations and often (in my opinion) wanders off into someone’s diatribe that gives little to the story, other than to paint the individual as clueless.

But it does pick up the pace about half way through. The characters often contradict themselves throughout the book but their overall message stays intact. I guess that just shows that they are all human and fallible as well.

To me, the story represents the battle between business and big government and how that battle affects everybody.

reply to post by TDawgRex


Good.

The sooner we can take back our Country, from idiots who should be working for us, not against us......

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circlue of our felicities. ~ Thomas Jefferson

S&F

reply to post by filosophia

Mouch was not a main character

perhaps in your eyes but he certainly was in mine ... just like the DC lobbyists of today.
[did you read the book?]

i confess i haven't seen the movie but i am told it is a polar opposite representation of the book.

no, i commented on the way your comment appeared.
here's a refresher ...

If the fat cats went on strike the economy would do better not worse

from reading the post you responded to, "fat cats" was a reference to wall street, correct ?

so, do you realize that Wall Street only exists because of the railroads, engineers, steel producers & copper miners ?
without their contributions, there would be no Wall Street.
the simplest reason being because intra-state commerce would diminish greatly.

don't know when you read the book last but, i've been re-reading it since 1978.
i seriously doubt i'm mis-reading it at this point.

and lastly, no that isn't what i think.
you said what you said (quoted above).
fat cats wouldn't exist without the other occupations, that's a fact.
fat cats can't truly damage a sound economy as they deal in fiat finances anyway
(no substance)

what too many misunderstand, is economy.
economy does not equal money. and likewise, money does not equal economy.
while one can be part of the other, only one stands alone and ain't money.

what i meant is what i said.
if you believe the "fat cats" have that much sway over economy, it is you who truly doesn't understand.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by Honor93

 

Reardon, the steel producer, never actually leaves, but the rest leave, which causes the economy to collapse and the government socialists (James Taggart) to lose control and go insane. Then, the producers return when the law is no longer tyrannical, THAT is what causes the economy to do better. You said that I implied the economy would get better because the real producers left? Either you misunderstood what I was saying or you misunderstood Atlas Shrugged, either way I never claimed the economy would get better because the producers left. That is the complete opposite of what atlas shrugged is actually about.

edit on 29-11-2012 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

is that what the movie portrays ??
kinda sorta, not really

it goes much deeper and delves into the back-door dealings, back-stabbing and suffrage of all others to the benefit of the DC 'fatcats', not the WS ones.
(although, they directly benefit from the 'partnership')

it also details the prescribed devaluation of the human in the pursuit of collective continuity.
i could go on but if you haven't read the book, you should.

reply to post by icmom


All across the US companies are screaming for CNC operators, but there just aren't enough applicants. A lot of companies are hiring Vets and training them, based upon a contract and schooling. Most Vets jump at a opportunity like this.

Railroads are always hiring as are logistics companies and they pay quite well. But people don’t want those types of jobs because it takes them away from their comfort zone.

Working odd hours and weekends! Eek!

They aren’t willing to put forth the effort.

I fear that abeverage may be right. Atlas shrugged a long time ago.