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Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by EnochWasRight
When I have more time, I will do my best to paint the canvas.
For now, regarding salvation, it is important to understand that the Hebrew word for it is made up of the character Yodh (hand of god) + Esau.
Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by EnochWasRight
When I have more time, I will do my best to paint the canvas.
For now, regarding salvation, it is important to understand that the Hebrew word for it is made up of the character Yodh (hand of god) + Esau.
Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by Dustytoad
Esau is only bad from Israel/Judea's pespective.
Favoured by Isaac ("He laughs"), grandson of Abraham ("Father of many nations" -- Gentiles included);
prophesized to overthrow the burden of the yoke of Israel in the name of El Elyon, God Most High. A point of interest is that the name "Elyon" is actually "Olion", in Hebrew עליון . Which is "God Most High" or "Mountain dweller", an appellation of Orion the Hunter.
Seir is the place occupied by the Edomites, the dwelling of Esau.
Wikipedia: "Seir"
The term "Seir" was also used by the Egyptians to refer to the constellation Orion, which was considered to be a representation of the god Osiris in the heavens.
In Biblical Astronomy, Seir refers to the name of a star in the constellation Orion, which is considered to be a Messiah figure representing Christ.
Could there be forces here trying to keep men's souls dark so as to never leave?
Originally posted by Dustytoad
reply to post by sacgamer25
I would like you to share way more... Did you notice the last bit of my post where I just said I am now a christian?
Do you know how weird that is to say for me? Or I mean how weird that would have been for me to say judging by my past, but now I am.??
I am that far and then some. It's a funny thing... I did it all on my own.. I'm a thinker.. I tested things out. Things work better in certain ways, and those ways are the ways that are not "mean, bad, unthoughtful, lazy"
Many Christians have a tendency to block god out of a shared experience (talking) by judging people and acting in false holiness..
So even though every thing Jesus ever said, and all the morality agrees with me, it took me this long to realize my thoughts were Christian thoughts...
More like I came from the beatles "Love is All and love is everyone" than any "holy" thing...
Originally posted by Aesir26
In response to DustyToad: ועיש is an anagram of Yeshua, meaning "Arcturus"
"Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south." (Job 9:9)
"Canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?" (Job 38:34)
Arcturus can be found in the "left knee" of the constellation Bootes, meaning "the Coming One," depicted as a plowman coming to harvest. The Hebrew word translated as "Arcturus" in Job comes from the same root word found in the Book of Joel discussing the return of Jesus (Joel 3:11) meaning, "to come to save/assemble".
Destiny is written in the stars
Originally posted by rigel4
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Is it really this simple?
Originally posted by Aesir26
reply to post by EnochWasRight
In the Book of Enoch, the Son of man (ben-Adam) is the "Righteous One" who will preside over the final judgement of the wicked, i.e. the worldly kings and the mighty, who will beg for His mercy.
Jesus identifies himself as the Son of man in the NT saying, "you shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven. (Mk 14:62) He is known as the last Adam.
Esau (Isa/Iesous) is of Edom/Adam. He is true to his father, and is loved by Isaac yet despised by Rachel (name meaning "ewe"/"yew": sheep or tree of poison/death). Esau lives in the open under the sky unlike his homely brother, Jacob (the 'heel-biter"), a tent-dweller and a deceiver. Jacob is described as bare, smooth and simple, which are the characteristics of the Hebrew letter, Zain/Zayin, or "Seven", which means "weapon; phallus; lie; deception; destruction". Gen 36:18 lists "Jeush" as a "son of Esau", which is an anagram of the same letters composing the name, "Jesus" in Hebrew, and means "Gatherer". Further, Esau is the archetypal brother who forgives Jacob for all his transgressions, welcoming him home with an embrace instead of the attack that Jacob is expecting and deserves.
The original story of Job of the Theraputae begins with: "4Know then my children, that you are the generation of a chosen one and take heed of your noble birth.5For I am of the sons of Esau."
Throughout the entire Old Testament, it is Yahweh, lord of worldly wealth, power and war, who is hell-bent on the destruction of Esau/Edom:
“… the people of my curse, to judgment. The sword of the Lord is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the Lord has a sacrifice in Bozrah [a city in Edom], and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea [Edom]. And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.” Isaiah 34:5-7
edit on 28-11-2012 by Aesir26 because: (no reason given)
Conversion is (according to the New Testament) going from being a pagan gentile, to believing in Jesus and becoming a Christian. It is used to describe what the Apostles did, in Acts. The word does not come up in any other context in the NT.
Without conviction and repentance there is no conversion.
You are apparently running two different NT quotes together to create an innovative concept. The text for the convivtion part is:
The Holy Spirit was sent to convict the world of sin this conviction causes a pricking of the heart which cries out what must I do to be saved.
Salvation is when a person believes in Jesus. "Salvation" meaning to be brought into the church, so to speak, the congregation of the Lord, the "Lord" being Jesus. The purpose of salvation is to live a righteous life, rather than the deeds of unrighteousness engaged in before coming to this belief.
Upon convictions comes salvation which is predicated upon repentace.
Jesus did not come to save demons, so they have no choice concerning salvation the way we do.
The bible says that the demons in hell know who Jesus is and they trimble because of that fact. Many people know who Jesus is but they have not been convicted and have repented of their sins.