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You asked where the other poster was getting his 3.2MW number from.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Oh, ho then...didn't know you were answering for Gaul. Where's the number from? What source? Who is saying that? That's all I was asking on that.
The rest of your post...still ragging on Bertell as though there were actually some authority on HAARP somewhere who isn't dead. Whispering in your ear, are they?
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Originally posted by Gidonb4IN
HAARP Unleashes Tesla Death Ray
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(visit the link for the full news article)
Disturbing evidence is emerging that HAARP has been weaponized. Noted Brazilian physicist, Dr. Fran De Aquino, recently asserted the fully functional HAARP network is not only modifying weather and geophysical events, it may also be warping space and gravity—even time! Now applications of Nikola Tesla’s legendary “Death Ray” weapon may have been activated.
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Considering the source link you have a very suspicious nickname !
Gid On B4 Its News ???
Originally posted by Gidonb4IN
reply to post by UltraMarine
The answer is absolutely YES. The is much more information on it here in a FB group I am active on:
awe.sm...
Originally posted by Rubic0n
Yup the OP seems to be a pro "beforeitsnews" link spammer.
here one if the worst of his "beforeitsnews" plugs pretending it to be a FB link.
To me, that was a request for an explanation of HOW the 3.2MW number was arrived at, for which I gave a very nice explanation, including why you'd need that much diesel power given the output and so on. You certainly don't get that succinct, yet detailed (and accurate) of an explanation from other sources.
You think everyone who's worked on the project is dead?
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Yes...nice, very nice...what I need is the source for the number; not how it's produced once it is a number. I want to be able to scrutinize the source giving out that number like, for instance, the HAARP PR director.
Oh please. I consider Tesla and Eastlund authorities on HAARP. A brick layer is not an architect.
What has BIN, your employer, told you you could accept?
I don't think Tesla understood direct digital synthesis or phased arrays - he certainly never wrote about them, and the math generally wasn't known at that time. And Eastlund's design was for a microwave transmitter, which HAARP is not, although it's likely he knew something about the IRI design. Hard to say, since he's not here.
The ionosphere of the earth has got enormous amount of energy. There are 8000 thunderstorms going on all over the earth at any given moment. There are millions of amperes of electricity pouring to the earth from lightning strikes and HAARP could create a trigger effect. (Dr. Patrick Flanagan, Electromagnetic Specialist/05:07)
You know you put one watt out and you've got the field necessary to break down the air or whatever happens. (John Heckscher, Project Manager - HAARP/08:19)
We're squeezing the mega watts into a narrow beam then in a very tiny area you can create what's called an effective giga watt(John Hecksher, Project Manager - HAARP/08:42)
I was considered a child prodigy in electronics. My entire life has been devoted to the study of the effect of electromagnetic energies on the human mind. When I was 13 years old I invented a device that transmits sound to the human brain using electromagnetic waves. So this is my field. I've been studying this field for over 40 years and HAARP scares me because I know what HAARP can do. I know that HAARP can be used to control the human mind. (Dr. Rick Flanagan, Electromagnetic Specialist/21:04)
I was considered a child prodigy in electronics. My entire life has been devoted to the study of the effect of electromagnetic energies on the human mind. When I was 13 years old I invented a device that transmits sound to the human brain using electromagnetic waves. So this is my field. I've been studying this field for over 40 years and HAARP scares me because I know what HAARP can do. I know that HAARP can be used to control the human mind. (Dr. Rick Flanagan, Electromagnetic Specialist/21:04)
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
I don't really understand your post. Specifically, I don't understand where your
it transmitts 3.6 Mw - about 1/300'th of 1 billion.....
information comes from.
How large is the HAARP antenna array?
The HAARP antenna array consists of 180 antennas on a total land area of about 35 acres. The array, along with its integrated transmitters, has a total radiated power capability of about 3,600 kilowatts.
Also, if you can't explain something in layman's terms, as Bedlam said
HAARP is beyond what the average layman can easily understand...
we (you, me & Bedlam) are not going to get anywhere.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Is this just more ragging? On before it's news?
No...no no no. No more ragging.
At this point, imo, there is no authority.
The people quoted from within the HAARP project contradict each other because it is difficult to straddle so many different fields and be expert in each one.
...Holes in Heaven...I was considered a child prodigy in electronics...I know that HAARP can be used to control the human mind...Dr. Patrick Flanagan, Electromagnetic Specialist...
Crystal Energy is the first product Dr. Patrick Flanagan invented after studying Hunza water. It consists of billions of spherical nanoparticles of silica that have the highest zeta potential ever measured. When added to water Crystal Energy instantly turns water into a liquid crystal and more closely matches water surrounding the cells in the body.
On ERP: reading the definitions, the calculations seem to be limited to areas not including the ionosphere. So it's probably a gross undercalculation of what the ERP would actually be.
So, if you're running the thing full out, you can get an output power of 3.6MW. (30 x 12 x 10kw) Not all of this reaches the antenna - you've got losses in the cabling and tuning systems such that you actually end up radiating about 3.2MW. That's frequency dependent. In the middle of the range, about 6MHz, you get nearly all of it. At the edges, especially near 10MHz, you start dropping pretty badly.
So you can get about 4GW of ERP. ERP isn't total power though - there's no more than 3.2MW of output. ERP isn't total output power.
I suggest she doesn't understand what ERP is. Most people don't. It sounds really shiny though, and it's not nearly as neat when you use actual output power, so invariably HAARP-doomsters will (mis)use ERP.
Consider - if you took the IRI's entire output power, and delivered it to the ionosphere unattenuated by distance, and multiplied it with a stroke of your imagination to 1000x - what would you have? 3.2GW? Do you think I could make an island disappear with 3.2GW?
It is not difficult to determine ERP for a given installation. First you need to know the exact power output from the transmitter - usually measured with a calibrated wattmeter. Next, deduct from this figure any losses caused by the duplexer. If this figure is not known, it is acceptable to measure the power coming out of the duplexer. Subtract the power lost in the feed line. This figure can be obtained from a table of coaxial cable characteristics. This gives the power reaching the feed point of the antenna. Combine this figure with the gain of the antenna; the result is the effective radiated power. In short, ERP is a measure of the power aimed in a direction that should be useful to the system.
There has always been some confusion on the part of many HAARP opponents over the power used in the HAARP "heater". The government explained this as, "a difference between 'total radiated power' and 'effective radiated power' (ERP). That difference is antenna gain, which in HAARP's case is a factor of nearly 1000 (at 10 MHz)."166 What this means is that to get to one gigawatt of output requires one megawatt of input power which can be delivered by the on-site generators. Another way to state this would be: one megawatt of input power is equal to one million watts, multiplied by one thousand (antenna gain). This will yield one billion watts of effective radiated power - one gigawatt.
1 megawatt x 1000 = 1 gigawatt = 1 billion watts ERP
HAARP offers a great advantage to active ionospheric modification experiments • High radiated power (3.6 MW transmitted, up to 4 GW ERP)
We're squeezing the mega watts into a narrow beam then in a very tiny area you can create what's called an effective giga watt. (John Hecksher, Project Manager - HAARP/08:42)
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Attenuation has been calculated, near as I can determine, in a normal atmospheric environment. It has not been calculated in an ionospheric environment. There is also no calculation to account for a potentially limitless antenna i.e. the electrojet or magnetic field lines.
These concepts also don't take stratospheric injections of aluminum, barium etc. for use as an antenna into consideration.
Also, radiated is a strange word to use for a beam that is squeezed down.
•The wavelength is 107.1 meters.
•The antenna array gain is approximately 84 (19.2 dB)
•The antenna half-power beamwidths are: ◦20.2 degrees in the North-South plane, ◦15.9 degtees in the East-West plane.
•The effective radiated power at the center of the beam is 84.1 dBW.
•The interactive region (between the half power points) is approximately 125 km by 97 km
•The power density at the center of the interactive region is about 0.0169 micro-watts per square-cm.
And I'd imagine this "mind control" that he "knows" can be done by HAARP is like the "mind control" and "beamed messages" that were shown to Jesse Ventura on his show about HAARP.
The optical listening device, sometimes called a laser microphone, uses a concentrated beam of light to listen in on sounds hundreds of feet away. By reflecting a laser beam off of a suitable reflective surface, the sound vibrations in a different building can be listened to and recorded.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by flyswatter
And I'd imagine this "mind control" that he "knows" can be done by HAARP is like the "mind control" and "beamed messages" that were shown to Jesse Ventura on his show about HAARP.
Mind control, in this context, imo, is a sort of entrainment. The ELF byproduct of modulated ionospheric heating gets the brain vibrating to the du jour ELF frequency. Different herz create different emotional manifestations i.e. anxiety, fear, apathy, sleep. (I've read, though, that it affects on a bell curve. So if you find yourself surrounded by zombies, you'll know where to place yourself on the curve.)
Beamed messages a la Jesse Ventura I don't know about. Missed that show. But if you don't think this is possible, take a look at this link:
Homemade Long Range Listening Device
The optical listening device, sometimes called a laser microphone, uses a concentrated beam of light to listen in on sounds hundreds of feet away. By reflecting a laser beam off of a suitable reflective surface, the sound vibrations in a different building can be listened to and recorded.
This device can be made on the cheap by a low-tech Jane or Joe. It extracts the sound from a beam of light.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
Mind control, in this context, imo, is a sort of entrainment. The ELF byproduct of modulated ionospheric heating gets the brain vibrating to the du jour ELF frequency. Different herz create different emotional manifestations i.e. anxiety, fear, apathy, sleep. (I've read, though, that it affects on a bell curve. So if you find yourself surrounded by zombies, you'll know where to place yourself on the curve.)
This device can be made on the cheap by a low-tech Jane or Joe. It extracts the sound from a beam of light.
Yup. The window glass modulates the laser.
Sure, I'm familiar with what those are. The idea behind those is actually very easy to understand - it simply takes the vibrations and transmits them via another medium, in thise case a laser being reflected back to a photoresistor.