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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by supergravity
The idea that harrp can accelerate plasma is in angels dont play that harrp. OOOh NO not that book you will say ,but there is a lot of info on design of harrp.


There's a lot of info, but most of it is rectally generated by the happy homeopathist.

Not much on actual design, if you know what I mean.




posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by supergravity

Do you agree that x-rays at high levels will kill a person?If you cant understand that there is nothing to talk about.
This is not a fantastic statement it is fact. Then there are gamma rays,alpha rays, etc.
I guess you guys dont believe those exist ?


A big wedge shaped object with "Acme" written on the side of it dropped from the sky onto your foe will squash them, too.

However, it would have no connection to HAARP. Lots of things that will kill you have no connection to HAARP.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by supergravity
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My understanding is that it is multi national.


This exactly, I ran into a Geo physicist who works for the Dept of the Interior on loan. He has even stated that HAARP was the reason for all the dry weather here up north. And it is unusual to have sunshine for a solid 2 months without a cloud in the sky from October to December. He stated that it was cranked up to high setting to deflect the weather systems on a constant surge from the south pacific from hitting the state I live in and causing massive damage.

Much like what is happening in California right now....only no HAARP is deflecting their weather....Maybe Cali couldn't afford the price of protection?

Yea I know the jet stream blah blah blah....I wont even note that it is currently way off course to the north, and has been so for over a year. That and the fact that where I lived had suffered last winter what Cali is going through now. A complete 180 from what we have been getting for the last year and a half.

That and from watching the sat motions on the local weather forecaster, it was very funny to see the clouds literally deflect off the coast. They wanted to go inland, but you could plainly see them being pushed back out to sea. I laughed my ass off when I saw that on the local news cast.

And yes he was not lying to me, I saw his gov ID, he is who he says he is. And according to him its about to get real live, real quick. Which is why the Gov has been doing the weird shat they been doing since 1997 when they first discovered that the world was about to go shat doody.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi

Everybody but MSM and some on ATS agree that HAARP is a weapon. Why else would the risky business of burning holes in the ionosphere go on?


That's because the MSM and most ATSers can't accurately tell you how GPS works, either. HAARP is beyond what the average layman can easily understand, and most people don't have the patience to learn. It's the age of zero attention spans and TL;DR. The physical science of how the array works is my sort of thing. The atmospheric science end of it is very very eggheaded and while I find it interesting, it's not my cup of tea. They also don't "burn holes in the ionosphere".



HAARP's PR director seems to think that HAARP is some kind of new age plasma art form, but, he's in the minority among those in the know. HAARP, from what I've read, concentrates more wallop into a square centimeter than the sun. It also concentrates this beam on the inside of the ionosphere which, it would seem, should make a difference. Then there are the non-linear attributes of the ionosphere to consider.


It might be more accurate to say, he's in the minority of an assortment of people who are in general scientifically illterate. It does NOT have more energy per square cm than the Sun, not by orders of magnitude.




The case of a weaponized HAARP was argued by the late Dr. Rosalie Bertell who wrote: “…the nonlinear effects of one billion watts of effective radiated power being directed at the ionosphere by the HAARP transmitter [is overwhelming]. This is the first phase capability of the project. The second phase will increase the effective radiated power levels even further—to 4.7 billion watts!!!11!!


Ah, yes, the epidemiologist. She ought to know all about physics, you betcha. Oh, it's also pretty obvious she doesn't understand ERP, either.



In your second link, Carl Sagan is quoted as saying that, in essence, our ignorance of HAARP, as an example of current technology, will not save us.


He's making a general comment. YOU are the one attributing it to HAARP.



The frequency following response (FFR) is a phenomenon that means the brain will try to follow the frequency it is presented. If HAARP presents a 7Hz wave, the brain will try to mimic that. This idea is discussed in the 1995 paper ‘Electromagnetic Induction of Fundamental Algorithims’ by MA Persinger.


Except no-one can replicate what Persinger says. So he's sort of lost any credibility. Except on BIN!



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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You've said in reply to me:


...the MSM and most ATSers can't accurately tell you how GPS works...
HAARP is beyond what the average layman can easily understand...
The atmospheric science end of it is very very eggheaded and while I find it interesting, it's not my cup of tea.
It might be more accurate to say, he's in the minority of an assortment of people who are in general scientifically illterate.
Ah, yes, the epidemiologist. She ought to know all about physics, you betcha.
Except no-one can replicate what Persinger says. So he's sort of lost any credibility.

Kind of full of it (opinions on everyone), aren't you.

Sunday Afternoon



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
Kind of full of it (opinions on everyone), aren't you.


If you quote a guy that's known for his work not being legitimate or an MD who's trying to talk physics (and a chemtrailer at that), then you bet. I do have opinions on what's worth reading and what's not.

And worse, I can generally back it up.

If someone, say your boy Begich, tries to sell you something by quoting himself as a source (he does) and by quoting the head shop guys in town as "experts", along with his local computer repairman, and a "doctorate" whose citation is from a paper on the power crystals of Atlantis, then Begich isn't reliable, his opinions null and void. That on top of him purchasing a doctorate in homeopathy.

That would be true even if I DIDN'T know much about the physics of radio, alas, I do.

If you've got a non-practicing medical doctor who specializes in epidemiology, who's blathering about ERP, I can tell you she doesn't know what it means. Nor does Jesse Ventura.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Gidonb4IN
 

OP: interesting links.
Everybody but MSM and some on ATS agree that HAARP is a weapon. Why else would the risky business of burning holes in the ionosphere go on? HAARP's PR director seems to think that HAARP is some kind of new age plasma art form, but, he's in the minority among those in the know. HAARP, from what I've read, concentrates more wallop into a square centimeter than the sun. It also concentrates this beam on the inside of the ionosphere which, it would seem, should make a difference. Then there are the non-linear attributes of the ionosphere to consider.

HAARP Unleashes Tesla Death Ray

The case of a weaponized HAARP was argued by the late Dr. Rosalie Bertell who wrote: “…the nonlinear effects of one billion watts of effective radiated power being directed at the ionosphere by the HAARP transmitter [is overwhelming]. This is the first phase capability of the project. The second phase will increase the effective radiated power levels even further—to 4.7 billion watts!


it transmitts 3.6 Mw - about 1/300'th of 1 billion.....


In your second link, Carl Sagan is quoted as saying that, in essence, our ignorance of HAARP, as an example of current technology, will not save us.

Holes In Heaven? HAARP and Advances in Tesla Technology

The late Carl Sagan said (which is related to this documentary): We’ve arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We’ve also arranged things so that almost no one understands science or technology. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later, this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.


does not mention HAARP anywhere - that's 2 for 2....


And your third link speaks to why we seem oblivious:

Hurricane Sandy and HAARP

The frequency following response (FFR) is a phenomenon that means the brain will try to follow the frequency it is presented. If HAARP presents a 7Hz wave, the brain will try to mimic that. This idea is discussed in the 1995 paper ‘Electromagnetic Induction of Fundamental Algorithims’ by MA Persinger. Persinger is an expert on the mind and he said that it is possible to create a signal that hyper-agitates people and creates anxiety. The media could work in conjunction with this to play on that anxiety and release fear based content to directly agitate the people’s anxiety. One can see that if you wanted to push through some sort of legislation, you could use fear and HAARP to do this (David Icke’s Problem-Reaction-Solution).


Even if this is possible (and 1 discussion paper does NOT make it so!) HAARP wont' achieve it unless your mind is somewhere up in the ionosphere!!





And many thousand more
's to get there!!
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 10:04 PM
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Well then pardon me, buddy, I thought you were trying to pass yourself off as a plasma weapons specialist but since you ain't, go back to sleep. The thread, imo, is about HAARP as a weapon; not a kind of rag on anyone and everyone free-for-all.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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I don't really understand your post. Specifically, I don't understand where your


it transmitts 3.6 Mw - about 1/300'th of 1 billion.....

information comes from. Also, if you can't explain something in layman's terms, as Bedlam said


HAARP is beyond what the average layman can easily understand...

we (you, me & Bedlam) are not going to get anywhere.

In a previous post I explained that the PR director of HAARP thinks that HAARP is some kind of plasma mache art or, in any event, that's how he's chosen to convey it to the layman (men) (laywomen).

Because you don't think HAARP technology should be included in Sagan's quote on science and technology, perhaps you, too, think this is an art form?

The last thing you said about not wanting to trust a paper on FFR (frequency following response) is interesting. So basically you have no experience with tapping your foot in time to any music?

Also I don't understand about your comments on ELF being in the ionosphere when from what I've read ELF bounces within the earth ionosphere cavity. Please explain.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
The thread, imo, is about HAARP as a weapon; not a kind of rag on anyone and everyone free-for-all.


Oh, sorry, this is in Skunk Works, isn't it. Never mind. My bad. Sorry all, I thought it was in S&T, SW doesn't require logic or proof.

Let me rephrase this properly then - my unicorn spirit guide told me that experts that buy their diplomas for less than $1000 may be trying to make money from the credulous.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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my unicorn spirit guide told me that experts that buy their diplomas for less than $1000 may be trying to make money from the credulous

For my part, I'm incredulous over your posts, but, I did see you coming with your plasma weapons credentials although there wasn't enough information to determine how much you paid for them.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi

I don't really understand your post. Specifically, I don't understand where your information comes from. Also, if you can't explain something in layman's terms, as Bedlam said we (you, me & Bedlam) are not going to get anywhere.



Ok. First, I really did think it was S&T. So let me crank the tone down to a dull roar. (squeak squeak squeak)

Ok.

Now, here's the deal. The IRI is powered by diesel generators. Big, deafening, locomotive diesel gennies, sort of like the rigs you see running small carnivals when the locals don't have enough power. Because Gakona AK doesn't have enough power to make this thing turn over. They've got more generation capacity than they strictly need, but then again you've got a lot of overhead. They also draw some power from Copper Valley Electric when the diesels aren't up. But the array power is from the diesels only.

They've got enough local generation capacity for 12.5MW, when it's all out. The gennies are load limted to 80%, so it's more like 10MW. That's all they've got to work with - if you sucked CVEA flat, you could get 35MW but that's for all 3600 homes and businesses in the area.

That goes to thirty amplifier sheds scattered among the array. Each shed has 12 D616G amplifiers in it. A D616G can put out 10kW if conditions are right. So, if you're running the thing full out, you can get an output power of 3.6MW. (30 x 12 x 10kw) Not all of this reaches the antenna - you've got losses in the cabling and tuning systems such that you actually end up radiating about 3.2MW. That's frequency dependent. In the middle of the range, about 6MHz, you get nearly all of it. At the edges, especially near 10MHz, you start dropping pretty badly.

Getting that 3.2MW output is something you don't do in normal operation - it says you're running both polarizations at once. You rarely do that. You can, but generally you don't. So most of the time you're putting out maybe 1.6MW total power.

edit to add: Each D616G weighs about 3800 pounds, so for each shed, you've got about 23 tons of amplifier alone, not counting all the other crap in there. To get that 3.2MW output, you've got to put in about 8.5MW electric power to the amps. That leaves you a bit of wiggle room from your 10MW budget, at places on the tuning you can get the VSWR down low enough that you can drive the amps to 12kW output each. But it's chancy.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:22 PM
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just saying, maybe the big reason they moved the jetstream is to defer the nuclear radiation that anyone, who isn't completely stupid, knows is streaming, and continues to stream, from the fukushima plants.

Conspiracies: Marty the Martian had a death ray in the "50's.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:29 PM
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If anyone had topsecret info from the gov't on what they had, or were trying out, and posted said info on a conspiracy site, they'd be picked up and gotten rid of.

You don't know what they're really doing. None of us do. But, I bet, it's not for the good of the people living on this earth right now.



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Happy1
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If anyone had topsecret info from the gov't on what they had, or were trying out, and posted said info on a conspiracy site, they'd be picked up and gotten rid of.

You don't know what they're really doing. None of us do. But, I bet, it's not for the good of the people living on this earth right now.


Not that much out there is classified in terms of the equipment. I do know a lot about what they do out there, though, or did about the time of the refit.

You're right about the government getting sore about some things, which is why we're not discussing SAR obscuration. But you want to know about the power generation, the amps, the dipoles, the tuning network, and how the BAE Systems exciter works, I'm your boy.

You want to talk ducting and sporadic-E, maybe plasma mirrors, I'm sort of your boy.

You want to go into cyclotron resonance theory, eh, I can read the papers but it's not my specialty. I can point you to the original work they gave us as examples to go by on the design bids, but you'll have to get a subscription to Geophysical Letters to afford them, unless you drop in to the local uni library and print them there. If you live near Stanford, they've got the whole thing. Dr Bob, unfortunately, died at 90 last year, or you could email him.
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posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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Fascinating as diesel engines are, I'm thinking this was not the death ray that Tesla described. (I'm going to ignore your shell game for the moment.) Here then are the quotes from the article that go beyond diesel into the non-linear ionosphere (one centimeter at a time). So while you talk about power output on the ground, the ionosphere has different ideas. Also, you're not saying anything about modulating or concentrating the beam. Also, you're not talking about ELF generation on the wrong side of the ionosphere. HAARP is not a diesel engine. Nor is it a radio frequency generator. It's an ionospheric heater.

HAARP Unleashes Tesla Death Ray


The case of a weaponized HAARP was argued by the late Dr. Rosalie Bertell who wrote: “…the nonlinear effects of one billion watts of effective radiated power being directed at the ionosphere by the HAARP transmitter [is overwhelming]. This is the first phase capability of the project. The second phase will increase the effective radiated power levels even further—to 4.7 billion watts!



“Energy in certain frequencies when reaching the outermost portions of the ionosphere can be amplified up to 1,000 times by natural processes. This phenomena has been recorded by scientists at UCLA who have observed the results of these power amplifications at a fraction of the power level which HAARP will transfer to this region. This is extremely important in considering what may occur with this level of energy. A serious environmental disaster may well be the result.”


(I think in that last quote they're talking about things like the islands that disappeared as pictured in the article.)



posted on Dec, 2 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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I am not trying to insult your intelligence. I have very little understanding of your specialty, but

Is this whole pyramid crap, just crap? Same with Tesla "free energy"?

Again, I'm asking, not trying to insult.



posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 12:03 AM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi

Fascinating as diesel engines are, I'm thinking this was not the death ray that Tesla described. (I'm going to ignore your shell game for the moment.)


You asked where the other poster was getting his 3.2MW number from. You said you wanted it in layman's terms. So I gave it to you in detail, simply. And somehow to you, getting what you said you wanted was a shell game.



Here then are the quotes from the article that go beyond diesel into the non-linear ionosphere (one centimeter at a time). So while you talk about power output on the ground, the ionosphere has different ideas. Also, you're not saying anything about modulating or concentrating the beam. Also, you're not talking about ELF generation on the wrong side of the ionosphere. HAARP is not a diesel engine. Nor is it a radio frequency generator. It's an ionospheric heater.


The beam is modulated and steered by a BAE Systems exciter, that's a custom design for HAARP. It's a direct digital synthesis system, the back end of the thing is pretty low tech - after all you're only working in the 10MHz zone tops, so you've got about 50ns per sample. It's spiffy, but not a strain in terms of engineering. It's probably not worth a lot of space here describing how DDS works. In their case, you take a straightforward design module and rubber stamp it 360 times. Then you have a front end that calculates all the phase relationships for the beam steering. Put in your steering and modulation program, let the thing munch out all the math, and then on the fly it downloads pre-calculated phase offsets to the DDS modules. It doesn't calculate on the fly, although you could do that these days, micros are a lot more powerful.

But the exciter can't do some nifty tricks the IRI COULD do, if it had been designed that way. At the high end, you could split the field into two arrays and sweep with two separate beams, or you could run one beam off the low band dipole and another off the high band dipole, if you cut the total output power back.

If you want it a bit simpler, the modulation is an artifact of the amplitude output of the exciter, the steering is an artifact of the phase relationships between the array components. It's a phased array antenna field. The beam is steered and shaped by the interactions between the far field components coming off the dipoles, that interaction is mathematically determined by the phase relations of the signals going to the amps.

So yes, what HAARP is, is a big HF phased array transmitter. It is powered by diesels, the exciter is a BAE one-off, the finals are D616G's, mostly by Continental but not totally, it IS in fact a radio frequency generator with a lot of outputs whose phase relationships can be diddled by the exciter. That calculated phase differential produces a beam, its shape, sidelobes and tilt angle are determined by the exciter's front end calculator.

The USE for it is as an ionospheric heater. But what it IS is a big HF transmitter. With 3.2MW total power output, if you're running both polarizations.

Now, the antenna's done pretty well, and for what it can't do, the exciter has a pretty good beam calculator. So you can get about 4GW of ERP. ERP isn't total power though - there's no more than 3.2MW of output. ERP isn't total output power.



The case of a weaponized HAARP was argued by the late Dr. Rosalie Bertell who wrote: “…the nonlinear effects of one billion watts of effective radiated power being directed at the ionosphere by the HAARP transmitter [is overwhelming]. This is the first phase capability of the project. The second phase will increase the effective radiated power levels even further—to 4.7 billion watts!


And Dr Bertell was an avid chemtrailer. She was taken by a lot of conspiracy theories, I'm afraid, and the "Dr" part, again, isn't a science doctorate. She was an MD who went into epidemiology. I suggest she doesn't understand what ERP is. Most people don't. It sounds really shiny though, and it's not nearly as neat when you use actual output power, so invariably HAARP-doomsters will (mis)use ERP.



“Energy in certain frequencies when reaching the outermost portions of the ionosphere can be amplified up to 1,000 times by natural processes...


(I think in that last quote they're talking about things like the islands that disappeared as pictured in the article.)


Consider - if you took the IRI's entire output power, and delivered it to the ionosphere unattenuated by distance, and multiplied it with a stroke of your imagination to 1000x - what would you have? 3.2GW? Do you think I could make an island disappear with 3.2GW?

edit to add: if you're talking geometric modulation, then the exciter lets fly with full amplitude and you do the whole thing with beam steering and chopping the outputs on and off. My previous ref was to power modulation.
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posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by Gidonb4IN

HAARP Unleashes Tesla Death Ray


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Disturbing evidence is emerging that HAARP has been weaponized. Noted Brazilian physicist, Dr. Fran De Aquino, recently asserted the fully functional HAARP network is not only modifying weather and geophysical events, it may also be warping space and gravity—even time! Now applications of Nikola Tesla’s legendary “Death Ray” weapon may have been activated.
(visit the link for the full news article)


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Considering the source link you have a very suspicious nickname !

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posted on Dec, 3 2012 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Happy1

I am not trying to insult your intelligence. I have very little understanding of your specialty, but

Is this whole pyramid crap, just crap? Same with Tesla "free energy"?

Again, I'm asking, not trying to insult.


HAARP is mostly egghead physics study, mostly run for grad students out of University of Alaska. It's owned and operated by the USAF and Navy. While you'll sometimes hear that the military side doesn't really do any runs out there, piffle.

Of COURSE they do. The projects are generally FOUO or secret instead of TS or SAP. There are a couple of wowsers they work on. But you know, if you didn't know what a particular setup was for, you'd never know. Set it up, run it, collect data, wave to everyone, go off and analyze it.

Some years ago, a General was on a talk show and blew the thing about clearing the inner magnetosphere with the array after a CME or a high-altitude nuclear detonation. THAT was a secret level project. But it's out now. There are some aspects of that they they then moved to the STS, when they were flying that it was still classified secret although the larger view of it wasn't anymore. That project actually used luxordelphi's non-linear trick to the MAX (HA) since you can't pack a bunch of 3800 pound finals in a shuttle. It worked really well, they collected a lot of data, a couple of specialized sats were bid out for a test launch. That one's way down the road, they'll loft the final designs in the next two years or so.

Most of the sort of stuff they work on is just what I said - they're looking for ways to maintain comms when someone is trying to cut them, to cut other people's comms on demand, to interfere with their satellite control at inopportune times, man, even to block the downlink and sub in one of your own. There - you heard it here and hopefully the DIA guys won't find this one.

But you know, earthquake and weather death machinery - that's all Begich and Bearden's personal assbugs.

edit to add: the whole teleforce thing, well you hear a lot of stories about that. It's not HAARP. It might fit into some other projects, though.
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