France to back Palestinian bid for observer status at UN Assembly

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Me thinks that Paris will soon get a madman running amok outside a Primary School with a machine gun, or a bomb going off on a train, or a derailment, or a unexplained virus going throughout the population. No one opposes Israel without casualties. I see the Angel of Death sweeping over France. And it has a six pointed star on it's chest.

Here is an interesting development, if true:

"Palestine UN Vote Expected Thursday; Hamas Endorses Plan"
By Jason Ditz
Global Research, November 27, 2012
Antiwar.com 26 November 2012
www.globalresearch.ca...

The long-discussed UN draft resolution on upgrading Palestine’s status to “non-member observer state” is expected to come to a vote on Thursday, and is receiving a last-minute shot in the arm with an endorsement from Hamas.

Hamas had previously expressed ambivalence about the move, but in the wake of last week’s Gaza War is moving toward reconciliation with Fatah, and today’s endorsement underscores how much those unity talks have already progressed.

Originally posted by bugsbunny1967
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Me thinks that Paris will soon get a madman running amok outside a Primary School with a machine gun, or a bomb going off on a train, or a derailment, or a unexplained virus going throughout the population. No one opposes Israel without casualties. I see the Angel of Death sweeping over France. And it has a six pointed star on it's chest.

They are murdering scumbags...there can be little doubt.

Are you part of any groups opposing Israels attempts at political manipulation??

Australia abstained from opposing it. Seems the Zionist agenda is more on the nose nowadays...

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I don't understand? Am I a part of what?

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The same way that the France backs and supports the armed terrorists in Syria i assume?

I found these articles surfing around Israeli new sites.

Americans for Peace Now backs Palestinian UN bid

www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=293725

WASHINGTON -- Americans for Peace Now on Tuesday called on US President Barack Obama to support the Palestinians’ bid to upgrade their status in the United Nations to non-member observer state.

The stance by the left-wing group issued in a statement places it at odds with others in the pro-Israel community. The statement by the group's president and CEO, Debra DeLee, was issued two days ahead of the anticipated vote in the UN General Assembly on the Palestinians' application for enhanced status.

“In the wake of the latest Gaza War, we believe the international community, led by the Obama administration, must take urgent action to restore faith in a negotiated two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” DeLee wrote.

A number of major Jewish groups, including the American Jewish Committee, the Anti-Defamation League and B’nai B’rith International, oppose the bid and are lobbying against it among UN member nations.

Israel won't punish Palestinians for UN statehood bid

www.haaretz.com...

After long weeks of Israel viewing the Palestinian bid in the United Nations as a grave threat, the Prime Minister's Office and Foreign Ministry now have to back down.

Avigdor Lieberman was asked on Tuesday during a closed meeting what will happen tomorrow night. The questioner hoped to hear the foreign minster's assessment of the vote due to be held in the UN General Assembly on recognizing Palestine as a non-member observer state, but Lieberman replied with typical cynicism: "It will be a good soccer game."

Actually, at the time of the vote in New York, Lieberman will be participating in the Saban Forum in Washington. He preferred not to attend the decisive debate and in his stead Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Ron Prosor, will conduct the rearguard fight and address the General Assembly.

Lieberman's reply represents what he and his colleagues in the nine-man ministerial forum have realized in the past two days - that the Palestinian move in the United Nations is unavoidable, as is the humiliating and painful diplomatic defeat that Israel is about to suffer. Now Lieberman, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and their cabinet colleagues have to find their way home - both diplomatically and politically.

But of course the US Gov't ain't having it.

US at odds with France over Palestinian bid

www.ynetnews.com...

State Department says US 'obviously disagrees' with France's decision to back Palestinian pursuit of upgraded UN status, which Washington regards as 'mistake'

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The PA probably won't get enough votes to become a state.

America, Britain, Germany, and others will prevent it from happening. However, if it does happen to occur, I imagine it will be extremely short-lasting so long as eliminating Israel remains an item on their agenda.

With member state status comes member state responsibilities. If terrorist attacks occur, you can bet that the government in question - whomever that may be - will be held accountable by international law. If Palestine persists in it's bellicosity towards Israel and fails to restrain it's citizens from carrying out terror attacks against Israeli's, this will justify an Israeli re-occupation of the West bank down the road, and possibly an Israel claim of sovereignty over Judea and Samaria (aka the westbank).

However, at this point, given how the peace process is structured - with the 5 powers seeking to ogranize a deal between the Palestinians and Israeli's - I imagine the PA's backhanded approach towards peace will be resented.

As other's have noted, the recent Hamas affair has probably weakened, rather than strengthened, peoples belief that the PA (i.e. Fatah) could maintain a unified government of a newly created Palestinian government.

We shall see.

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France is considered the most antisemitic country in Europe.

There has been mass migration of French Jews to Israel in the last 5 years because of an increased occurrence of antisemitism.

Link

This is undoubtedly mostly due to Frances burgeoning Islamic population, which is about 10%. French politicians are pressured by this group to support the Palestinian cause; hence, Frances support, like almost all other positions held by governments, are motivated by political interests. The French - just like all members of the Arab league - incline towards acknowledging a Palestinian state because of it's large Muslim population; whereas America, because of it's large and influential Jewish lobby, and Christian lobby, will be drawn to support Israel.

These are the domestic dimensions of how political decisions are formulated. America, Britain, Germany, and others, undoubtedly worry that Hamas might gain legitimacy in a Palestinian state and so strengthened Islamists in the region. This is a foreign policy concern: Does America and Britain think the world will be made safer and more hospitable by bringing Islamists into power? Could Palestine maintain cordial relations with Israel if Hamas won control of the Palestinian state? Would Hamas feel strengthened by gains by Islamists in Egypt, Tunisia, and possibly Syria, and so pursue a belligerent policy against Israel? These are all issues which must be addressed before any policy is agreed upon.

I for one think it's ludicrous, and a sure bet, that a Palestinian state begun by Fatah would transfer into the hands of Hamas, which would then be used as platform to carry out more terrorist attacks against Israel. And with big brother Egypt and Syria backing your actions, it will be difficult for Israel to defend itself, or for America to consider Israel's defense worth the headache.

But what possible gain could there be in strengthening a fundamentalist religiously conservative ideology with beliefs of manifest destiny?

Originally posted by FrankieNinja

Originally posted by seenavv
HURRAY for Palestine!! This is a huge slap in the face to the Zionist parasites that are probably furious right now!

rt.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

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And you wonder why Israel has to defend itself. The only parasites I see are the ones attacking Israel and trying to take the spoils.

The spoils being the land that doesn't belong to them?

Well done France!

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
You can bet that the U.S. will veto once again, and their lap dogs, the U.K. not to be outdone, will also veto.

Unfortunate but true, good on France though

Hague will be telling MP's later today that the UK will vote for Palestinian UN non member status (same as France) if they agree to enter Peace Talks with Israel - according to various sources.

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This was long overdue...

I agree they should have statehood, why not?

Except they want all of Jerusalem, and anything less is unacceptable. Fact.

Germany will not back Palestinian U.N. bid: government spokesman

Germany will not back a Palestinian bid for a diplomatic upgrade at the United Nations, the government spokesman said on Wednesday.

Germany is showing where their loyalties lie.

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Israel won't punish Palestinians for UN statehood bid

www.haaretz.com...

After long weeks of Israel viewing the Palestinian bid in the United Nations as a grave threat, the Prime Minister's Office and Foreign Ministry now have to back down.

Avigdor Lieberman was asked on Tuesday during a closed meeting what will happen tomorrow night. The questioner hoped to hear the foreign minster's assessment of the vote due to be held in the UN General Assembly on recognizing Palestine as a non-member observer state, but Lieberman replied with typical cynicism: "It will be a good soccer game."

Actually, at the time of the vote in New York, Lieberman will be participating in the Saban Forum in Washington. He preferred not to attend the decisive debate and in his stead Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Ron Prosor, will conduct the rearguard fight and address the General Assembly.

Lieberman's reply represents what he and his colleagues in the nine-man ministerial forum have realized in the past two days - that the Palestinian move in the United Nations is unavoidable, as is the humiliating and painful diplomatic defeat that Israel is about to suffer. Now Lieberman, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and their cabinet colleagues have to find their way home - both diplomatically and politically.

They say that now since they are trying to modify it. But if they don't get their way you can bet your left arm there will be consequences.

imemc.org...

Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, decided to shift the Israeli policy and stance regarding the UN Thursday vote on the Palestinian nonmember status, and is currently tying to tone down and trim the Palestinian application instead of toppling it by a U.S. veto.

Do you honestly believe that Bibi will just sit back and take it if he doesn't get his way?

ETA:

The link I provided mentions a possible veto, but as many of us have stated, there is no option for a veto...which is why Bibi is trying to modify the draft to his liking.

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But what possible gain could there be in strengthening a fundamentalist religiously conservative ideology with beliefs of manifest destiny?

You raise an important question.

One might ask: Why should Israel promote an Islamic movement which later turns around and attacks it? How could the Israeli secret services be taken in by a Yassin? They weren't. The simple fact is, that the stated policy of Hamas is simply the flip side of Sharon's "Greater Israel" policy that refuses to seek a territorial compromise.

The Hamas charter in 1988 stated, "The land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations, and until the Day of Resurrection, no one can renounce it or part of it, or abandon it or part of it.... Peace initiatives, the so-called peace initiatives, are all contraray to the beliefs of Hamas, for renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion." In this rhetoric there is no room for a state of Israel—as there is none for a state of Palestine in Sharon's "Greater Israel."

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guardian.co.uk

ICH.info

greenstein.blog

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The PA probably won't get enough votes to become a state.

That is wishful thinking on your behalf, you can't stand the thought of a Palestinian state can you?

With member state status comes member state responsibilities.

I agree.

If terrorist attacks occur, you can bet that the government in question - whomever that may be - will be held accountable by international law.

Why has Israel gained member status then? They are certainly governed by a terrorist organization. Why is Israel not held accountable by international law?

If Palestine persists in it's bellicosity towards Israel and fails to restrain it's citizens from carrying out terror attacks against Israeli's, this will justify an Israeli re-occupation of the West bank down the road, and possibly an Israel claim of sovereignty over Judea and Samaria (aka the westbank).

You seem to forget that Israel were the instigators of the most recent conflict by shooting a 13 year old kid in the head with a helicopther while he played soccer. There was some back and forth squirmishes becuse of this incident but a ceasefire was established shortly after these incidents and then Israel broke the cease fire by assassinating the Hamas official Ahmed Jabari who was working on a long term truce in the hopes of establishing a new round of talks for the peace process...get your head out of the sand!

We shall see.

Yes we shall...free Palestine!

Originally posted by dontreally

But what possible gain could there be in strengthening a fundamentalist religiously conservative ideology with beliefs of manifest destiny?

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That is a great question, and in light of the US/NATO/Israel continually backing/arming/funding these 'terrorists' in Libya, Egypt, Syria, it really does make one wonder what they're up to?

They illegally invade countries to 'go after the terrorists' and then openly arm, fund, and align themselves with these same 'terrorists' to illegally sanction, overthrow, and/or invade other countries. How the # does that work?!? Yet, it's working for them...And few seem to question the ludicrousness of this, and few seem to question the legitimacy of the US/NATO/Israel and the UN, who continues to allow these illegal actions, which have caused the deaths of over a million people.

Perhaps this is why Bibi wanted the bid to be modified, the current bid allows Palestine to charge Israel with war crimes. It appears that the USA is doing more bidding on behalf of Israel.

PLO Rejects US Demand to Prohibit War Crimes Charges Against Israel

This is a catch 22 though, Palestine has also committed what can be considered war crimes so they better be careful how they approach this if they do plan on going after Israel for it's war crimes.

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That is a great question, and in light of the US/NATO/Israel continually backing/arming/funding these 'terrorists' in Libya, Egypt, Syria, it really does make one wonder what they're up to?

It's not that complicated.

Right now, the Assad regime is an important ally of Iran. And Iran transports missiles through Syria to Hezbollah, hence the Israeli interest in regime change. The Free Syrian Army is composed of different factions, some secular, others Islamist. Obviously, Israel understands the gamble that they are taking; they want Assad out, and hopefully, when a new government is erected, it'll be made up of democratic, ideally secular elements.

As for Libya, Egypt, etc, Israel has had nothing to do with that. That's been Americas doing.