reply to post by talklikeapirat
Repeatedly screaming "the caliphate is coming"
I don't repeatedly "scream the caliphate is coming"; however, it is germane to mention what Islamists themselves believe, is it not?
and then referring to your 'non-partisan reading habits' (whatever that means)
It means exactly what it professes to mean: I don't read just pro-Israel writings, but also anti-Israel writings. I have books from Ilan Pappe (very
against Israel) and Alan Dershowitz (very for Israel) in my collection.
There was nothing remotely unintelligible in what I wrote.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vehemently opposes the establishment of a genuinely viable Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, and is
opposed to giving up any part of Jerusalem--and Netanyahu's governing coalition is more right wing and pro-settlement than he is.
Yeah, that's an incredibly exaggerated statement. He makes such a sweeping statement not realizing, or even taking into account, the reasons for an
impasse between Israel (and Natanyahu's government) and the PA. One, the PA demands that 4 million grandchildren of former residents of Palestine to
be repatriated to Israel proper. The demographic issues this would create (which is why the PA makes the demand in the first place) would dramatically
change the demographics of the state of Israel. Secondly, they've asked for "all of Jerusalem"; not just east Jerusalem, but the entire city, as
the capital of a new Palestinian state. This is especially unfair given the religious significance of Jerusalem to religious Jews, and the fact that
the city has had a proportionally larger Jewish population than Muslims for the last 200 or so years. With regard to the religious significance of
Jerusalem: where do Muslims face when they pray? If they happen to be Jerusalem Muslims, they turn their behind to the dome of the rock and face
southwards towards Mecca. Conversely, Jews, wherever they are, face Jerusalem when they say their 3 daily prayers. Thirdly, the PA have demands about
complete de-occupation of the west bank, even in those areas which are necessary to defend Israel's economic and population heartland, the Tel Aviv
coastal plain. The West Bank - which would be Palestinian territory, is apart of the geological area called the central hills. It thus has crucial
strategic value for terrorists who want to shoot rockets into Israel.
Does that seem like Israel is unreasonably preventing the creation of the state? Or is the PA making unreasonable demands out of Israel, which could
very well result in Israels destruction, whether religiously/spiritually, by denying them connection to Jerusalem, demographically by overrunning the
Jewish state with Arabs, or militarily by shooting rockets from strategically important land. All these demands confirm one sort of policy: Israels
Neither the article quoted, nor you, have provided any substantial basis to this claim.
Besides that obvious point, you seem to have excluded from possibility that this was a propaganda piece. Haaeretz has a nasty reputation for doing
But for clarities sake, I'll engage you in discussion on this topic.
There is an enormous difference between fostering a policy of annexation of Judea and Samaria (incidentally, the most historically Jewish area of
ancient Israel) and harboring visions of a state from the Nile to the Euphrates. To belie the claim that Israel wants a state from the Nile to the
Euphrates, why would Israel give away the Sinai - which began at the Nile - to Egypt, even with all it's oil reserves, for a promise of peace? If
Israel were acting pragmatically - as they were - it makes sense why they did that. They had something which could be exchanged for an internationally
binding assurance of peace. Because they wanted peace and not a greater Israel, they gave it away.
The reason why Judea, Samaria and perhaps Gaza might be incorporated into Israel proper is due to the intractable demands made by the PA. It does not
in any shape or form support the notion of a "greater Israel", as greater Israel is a territory that is many times greater than Israel's current
size. Judea and Samaria - which contains old Jerusalem and many other biblical towns and cities (besides ramallah), has much greater religious and
national meaning than anything beyond the Jordan.