Hotel CCTV Video of 9/11 Pentagon Explosion... And NO Plane!

reply to post by bottleslingguy



No you cant and it settles nothing. It would've been clearly visible moving from the left corner of the screen, and again, it would not be visible at point A, because it was flying lower than the Pentagon with it's tail according to official flight path.

Did you miss that part?

You are awfully quick to settle it.

At least make a screenshot where the plane is visible before point A if it is that clear.

So you say you see the object moving along the path of the black arrow, coming from the left of the screen?



That's funny cause it actually appears where the arrow stops and is not there before that point.

You may be confused with a car but it is not the same object flying along that path.

No sir.

reply to post by WoodSpirit

look you can see what you want and I don't know how to do screen shots and all that but I will say this, your arrow is wrong. that's not how I see it coming in. that is the wrong direction, it is coming in more directly and if you back the shot up just a couple ticks you can see it coming in and to me it's a plain as day. I'm sorry, you can get all hysterical but you can not tell me what I see is nothing or in the very least make me believe it is a missile.

reply to post by bottleslingguy


Wrong direction lol.

Are you aware of the official flight path?

Whatever it is you think you see, it doesn't fit the official flight path.

I don't know how to make it anymore clear that that.

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
reply to post by bottleslingguy

 

No you cant and it settles nothing. It would've been clearly visible moving from the left corner of the screen, and again, it would not be visible at point A, because it was flying lower than the Pentagon with it's tail according to official flight path.

Did you miss that part?

You are awfully quick to settle it.

At least make a screenshot where the plane is visible before point A if it is that clear.

So you say you see the object moving along the path of the black arrow, coming from the left of the screen?

That's funny cause it actually appears where the arrow stops and is not there before that point.

You may be confused with a car but it is not the same object flying along that path.

No sir.

edit on 28-11-2012 by WoodSpirit because: (no reason given)

have you seen this? explain the lamposts and plane parts

The investigation did throw up an incorrect flight path and there were witnesses, including cops who disagreed with the official story:

reply to post by bottleslingguy




The only moving object from the left of the screen is a car on the overpass.

It is not the same object as the "plane", which appears mid screen, while the other object, the car, is still visible in the same pic.



Both pics are around the 0.15 mark.

Btw. lampposts and plane parts do not make this vid correct. It is clear that the object in the vid is not following the official trajectory, and it appearsout of nowhere, so that means a couple of things.

Originally posted by Dustytoad
reply to post by Arken

 

Anyone who was actually there notice a plane??

My wife, Navy Reservist, was on her way in to the Pentagon that morning. Had she not been running late, she would have been in the portion of the building struck. She saw the plane come in and strike the building.

This video does nothing imo. The cars traveling at what 45-60 mph are very hard to capture on this video let alone an airplane going 300+. Besides NavyDoc (above) puts credit to the testimony.

reply to post by NavyDoc


Sure she did.

Make a video about her giving a testimony and it might be of the same value as the vid you responded too.

If not, empty drivel.

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

Sure she did.

Make a video about her giving a testimony and it might be of the same value as the vid you responded too.

If not, empty drivel.

That's laughable. Even if there was one of her to post, since she was an intelligence officer at the time, you would just claim she was part of the great conspiracy. You are set in your beliefs and nothing will sway you--kind of like one of those New Earth creationists

reply to post by WoodSpirit


I note that a lot of people are writing about what witnesses saw - or think they saw. Has anybody considered the sound a plane might make when it is about to crash.

A few nights ago I was in bed listening to what I thought sounded like a military chinook. It was getting louder and louder and I thought it is getting closer and seemed to be flying very low. I almost got worried because it got louder and louder. The next day I was told it was indeed a careflight chopper as there had been a person injured in a serious accident and we are miles from any large hospitals with spine or brain/head injury specialists.

Has any witness anywhere mentioned that they heard a plane? I know that if I was minding my own business and heard the sound of a jet engine that was getting close to me - I would probably react by looking to see if I was right.

If there was a plane it would have made one almighty noise as it came closer to the ground. The noise of the crash would have been huge and the aviation fuel - if I am correct - should have created quite a fireball.

I want a photograph of a plane or at least a shape that looks like a plane. With all the security cameras confiscated it just seems to me that someone somewhere - who is paying the wages of a lot of government employees - wants those security tapes all to themself. Why would that be? Don't want to show the public what really happened? If the cabal/illuminati/whatever want me to believe there was a plane that hit the pentagon - show me the original - uncut and untampered with version from the service station that had a great view of the impact zone.

If the powers that be do not want to share the original video/s then how am I supposed to believe? How can I trust them when they are so controlled and controlling and so secretive about original video footage?????

Much Peace...

reply to post by NavyDoc


My beliefs are based on the proven fakeness of the 911 footage, simple as that.

And yes, if you want your words to have any validity like the eyewitness account you tried to debunk, let your wife identify herself on video and tell her story.

Your words are just words anyone could say.

You see, I have an uncle that was there that day too, and he didn't see the plane.

Where does that leave us?

The fact that you are in fatigues also doesn't mean anything to me.

Originally posted by HawkeyeNation
This video does nothing imo. The cars traveling at what 45-60 mph are very hard to capture on this video let alone an airplane going 300+. Besides NavyDoc (above) puts credit to the testimony.

Well, also you have to understand that the lady in the video was inside the building, looking at a computer when the strike occured so obviously she is not going to see the plane come in and was struggling to get out after (not exactly an investigative frame of mind) to notice airplane parts and, as the pictures of airplane parts and luggage and debris posted earlier in the thread demonstrate, the parts after such an impact are not exactly easily recognizable to someone who is struggling to get out and is not used to seeing damage like that.

I was at WRAMC at the time and helpd take care of the casualties as they came in.

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

My beliefs are based on the proven fakeness of the 911 footage, simple as that.

And yes, if you want your words to have any validity like the eyewitness account you tried to debunk, let your wife identify herself on video and tell her story.

Your words are just words anyone could say.

You see, I have an uncle that was there that day too, and he didn't see the plane.

Where does that leave us?

The fact that you are in fatigues also doesn't mean anything to me.

See, "proven fakness?" By whom? Just a conspiracy belief that.

reply to post by Amanda5

Has any witness anywhere mentioned that they heard a plane? I know that if I was minding my own business and heard the sound of a jet engine that was getting close to me - I would probably react by looking to see if I was right.

There are quite some eyewitness accounts about hearing engine noise, and planes could have actually flown over.

There are accounts of other planes in the air too.

reply to post by NavyDoc


For starters, the vid I posted 3 times in this thread basically proves it, an objective mind can't deny what they are pointing out.

Some people were open minded enough to watch it and some responded and they confirmed it, even though they weren't into the no plane theory, so.

Give it a go if you are an objective person.

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

For starters, the vid I posted 3 times in this thread basically proves it, an objective mind can't deny what they are pointing out.

Some people were open minded enough to watch it and some responded and they confirmed it, even though they weren't into the no plane theory, so.

Give it a go if you are an objective person.

The vid does not prove it, it is not exactly a close, well angled, video without obstruction. That is just the explaination you've embraced. We've got physical evidence of the plane: wreckage, bodies, luggage, engine parts. But, I guess they could be planted, so we can't accept that.

reply to post by NavyDoc

The vid does not prove it, it is not exactly a close, well angled, video without obstruction. That is just the explaination you've embraced.

Wth are you talking about, the vid analyses the live broadcast and other well known footage that was aired on 911 and the days after. Your comment doesn't even make sense in relation to the vid.

It proves that they cannot be real, cannot.

Don't act like you have seen the vid, and that you are actually sincerely discussing it.

Originally posted by WoodSpirit
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

The vid does not prove it, it is not exactly a close, well angled, video without obstruction. That is just the explaination you've embraced.

Wth are you talking about, the vid analyses the live broadcast and other well known footage that was aired on 911 and the days after. Your comment doesn't even make sense in relation to the vid.

It proves that they cannot be real, cannot.

Don't act like you have seen the vid, and that you are actually sincerely discussing it.

edit on 28-11-2012 by WoodSpirit because: (no reason given)

The Doubletree vid is taken from several miles away, as a surveillance vid is jerky with a lot of space between the frames, an overpass, on the opposide side of the Pentagon, and from a lower elevation. Not ebing able to pick out the plane in this video is not proof that there was no plane. All of the physical evidence, however, is proof that there was a plane. Now, I'm not commenting on the who or why of the plane, but that the overwhelming evidence is that there was a plane.

reply to post by NavyDoc


This is the vid I posted,



It was pretty clear by my description that I wasn't talking about the Doubletree vid, and I only posted screenshots of that vid.

Stay alert navydoc.