Originally posted by foodstamp

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by foodstamp






What I don't understand is why an un educated sales associate is having ANY problem with 11 an hour when I'm making only 8/hr With a college degree cause of a felony from '99.

Maybe it's because they aren't ex-criminals. Or maybe it's because they are smart enough to understand that if you commit a crime, it might have future consequences.

Lots of companies hire felons at good wages.

Of course certain types of felonies can limit employment opportunities such as those that require you to have no contact with minor children.

Felony restrictions seem harsh until it is you or your family that were the victim of the crime.

Originally posted by foodstamp


What I don't understand is why an un educated sales associate is having ANY problem with 11 an hour when I'm making only 8/hr With a college degree cause of a felony from '99.

I don't see that as a valid comparison, but I do understand and get upset about your plight. If people break the law and serve out whatever sentence they receive, they should be able to start over completely fresh, else people might as well just stay in prison. To be chained to our past mistakes is just not right.

Originally posted by schuyler
Wal-Mart employees do start out at low wages, but the fact is, if they work at it, they can get those wages higher. In fact, there is no reason at all why a Wal-Mart employee cannot make Manager within a few years, Store Manager in ten, and District Manager by fifteen. It's just that most lack motivation to do so.

This is true of ANY retail chain. In the smaller chains you ought to be able to make store manager within two years, district manager in five. If you don't get promoted in these situations you are either incapable of handling it intellectually, or you aren't paying attention.

The real problem here is that we don't have farm jobs for people with low IQs. Half the people have an IQ lower than 100. That doesn't qualify you for much, and it also means you are subject to replacement by robots who don't complain. China is in the process of installing 1 million robots to replace factory workers. This is just the first wave. Indeed, there is widespread speculation that manufacturing jobs will come back here--performed by robots.

People with low IQs only know how to do one thing well, and that's make babies--at a time when we need fewer babies. THAT'S why we're in trouble. Would you hire your average Wal-Mart employee? I sure would not. Hey, there are hundreds of geniuses packed in there, but finding them is tough.

Sorry to goute your whole post, but it's correct.

There are reasons walmart pay "so low". It's a low skill job. It's a very low skill job. No one trains to become a walmart shelf stocker. Don't tell me how much I don't get it. I can shop all by myself. Hell, I can even use their "self check-out" line. Just unload the truck, fill the shelves, and sweep the floors. However, if you play their game (i.e., learn about retail and the way walmart works) you can rise through their ranks and make something of yourself. It's not that Walmart is holding them back, it's just walmart can hire ANYBODY to do most of the jobs, yeah, it's that easy. And sadly there is no shortage of stupid people, and I mean people that have a very low IQ.

Unions are for people with skills, certain trades that require years of practice, jobs that require a "safety first" work ethic because you could lose a arm or leg in a instant. I'm in a Union, I make more than $22/hr, and the job could take years to master, and I need to be flexiable for future changes to my working situation and while all that is going on, if I make a mistake I could lose a finger/hand/eye...

These things just don't happen with a entry level, low skill, low risk, low responsibilty, minimum wage job.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
The idea that hourly rate is the only determining factor in this assessment is a perfect example of how americans fail to see the forest from the trees.

Lack of benefits, keeping hours per week below certain levels, etc, are MAIN reasons why people take issue with walmart.

11 bucks an hour isnt exactly a great wage when your employer caps you at below full-time hours so that they can avoid giving you any benefits.

I call that employer a smart business person. Heartless? Yes. Smart? Very.

Originally posted by phantomjack

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
The idea that hourly rate is the only determining factor in this assessment is a perfect example of how americans fail to see the forest from the trees.

Lack of benefits, keeping hours per week below certain levels, etc, are MAIN reasons why people take issue with walmart.

11 bucks an hour isnt exactly a great wage when your employer caps you at below full-time hours so that they can avoid giving you any benefits.

I call that employer a smart business person. Heartless? Yes. Smart? Very.

smart for their bottom line. Good for the union? Not so much.

Thats what all of this comes down to, and it is why I am SO opposed to corporate personhood. Whats best for the union is the opposite of what is best for corporations. It is is the best interests of most corporations(yes, there are exceptions) to squeeze a worker as much as possible, and to rip off the consumer as much as possible. What best for the union is to have a middle class that is thriving.

Those two things do not go together.

Walmart hurts the US economy so much it should roll over and die.

They pay their employees minimum wage, maybe 8-9 dollars an hour. The employees cannot support themselves so they go on food stamps, welfare, medicaid etc. They make so little they are forced to go buy walmart goods to save money...

Walmart also kills the small business owner, this then concentrates more and more wealth into the 1% hands.

Not to mention all the do is sell Chinese slave goods.

They are a parasite. They make so much in profits, they could do so much better, but choose not to. Shareholders over humanity is their motto... like most corporations, but they are particularly foul.