Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by foodstamp
Makes me sick to my stomach that some people think the job you do defines you as a person
and If you are on Min wage people think you are not intelligent.
Well I don't really think so, but let me come to the first point.
Your choices do define what you are. I'm very lucky to have been born in a family that was technically rather poor, but which valued good education
above all things. I was working my butt off in school and was twice accepted to different magnet school on merits. I'll spare you the rest of the
detail, but after a long while it really paid off. I had a choice to slack off, I didn't. I'm not saying that I'm more intelligent than the next guy,
but what you choose to do in this life does define you as a person. And oh, when I neglected to make sure I'm 100% committed in one of my jobs, that
didn't work exactly in my favor.
Many jobs need to be done, I get paid bugger all, I care for people and do a job many of you would say is beneath you.
When I was younger, I did menial jobs that paid pittance, and worked to exhaustion. I didn't think I was "below" anyone at some deep philosophical
level, but in terms of sheer achievement and being able to help others, well this was too early to tell.
My personal theory, in this day and age there is a way... If there is the will. I've seen building contractors becoming doctors (my students,
actually) and before that they were simply workers.
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Around a decade or so, Britain saw a drive to send 50% of all teenagers through college and on to university and get a university degree. We've got
more people with university degrees in 2012 than at any other time in history. What's actually happened is that many employers see a degree as
'worthless' now, in a similar way to arseholes and opinions: everyone's got one. Many employers are looking at 2nd or even 3rd degrees. However, at
the same time, we're now seeing a 25% unemployment rate for graduates and a million young people generally unemployed. Everyone accepts that both
statistics are going to increase.
Also, around the same time, there was another drive to give people a skill set that would feed into an emerging employment market. Again, this is
Britain, so the mileage will vary in various ways. Historically, since the Thatcher years, we saw traditional 'working class' blue collar jobs
disappear. Not just the jobs: whole industries. Traditional avenues of employment for the working class disappeared in a generation: mining, light and
heavy industries, clothing production and so on. Basically, the lot went abroad. Unions, minimum wage, quality of British workers weren't really
factors (the minimum wage was introduced long after all this started): it was basically shareholder and ownership driven. In the late 90s, offices
were suddenly opened up to the working classes; white collar jobs, even low down on the ladder were always seen as a 'dream job'; particularly for
families that were used to long shifts in factories. Adults and teenagers alike were developing IT skills, ICT skills and so on. It came at the right
time because, basically, this was to be the way all work was going and the working class needed new fields of employment.
A few years later, the bulk of this type of work (call centres, data processing, programming &c) followed the blue collar jobs abroad. Eventually the
majority of the remainder of these types of jobs were public sector/government related.
Fast forward to 2010, and the new Tory-lead government decides that those lucky enough to still have these types of jobs are now deemed wasteful and
unnecessary. The positions are being made redundant and/or are going abroad.
In meantime, we've seen training opportunities for trades like building, plumbing, electrics, engineering and so on, also disappear. Courses have been
cut by an increasingly privatised college system as they were getting more funding for the IT type courses. What trades courses are still available
often have waiting lists running into years to get on them, especially for the night courses available to adults. Even then, they're often
unaffordable (I remember, about 12 years ago, Level 3 qualifications costing £3,500 for a 2 hour a week course with no concessions for the unemployed
- who are the ones that need retraining more than anyone else). There was this idea that, again, the private sector would step in and offer
apprenticeships. However, the reality was that the private sector would rather bring in East European workers rather than train people, the same East
Europeans and private sector who are undermining the minimum wage, employment rights &c of the people who actually do have jobs.
What you've said is right in an ideal world. Education and training should
be the solution. Unfortunately, in Britain, it's just not.
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