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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:14 AM
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It appears to be a fact that 1880, and many years after that, are getting colder by the year. Not only that but temperature means are getting warmer by the year for the later figures.

Take 1996 for example. That has warmed by .06°C in the last 7 years! The anomaly has gone from 25 (.25°C) to 31 (.31°C). It is scary to think that the temperature back in 2005 can still keep climbing even in 2012. Is this something to do with parallel universes perhaps?



OK before I go further with this let me explain the source of the data and what I have done to get the following charts.

I was musing on the fact that I had contacted a well known climate blog about this, but got no response. I did not know how to explain what I was seeing but I thought they may be interested.

For the past year I have been collecting the GLOBAL Land-Ocean Temperature Index in 0.01 degrees Celsius (base period: 1951-1980) from this page

For over a year I have simply added the next single month figure to the bottom of my list. Last month however it just happened to catch my eye, as I was collecting the latest figure, that the 1880 mean had changed. Eh what? How can that be I thought.

After getting no response from the well known blog I resolved last night to see if I could find any historical data using the Internet Wayback machine. Nearly all data that I could get by putting in "data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp" was not having permission to view (Permission denied). It seemed that the IWBM was actually accessing the NASA site and not it’s own archives. Undaunted I resorted to the mirror archive in Egypt. I struck lucky with 2005 November despite the fact that this is NOT available in the normal IWBM.

I managed to source a few more years from Bibalex and for clarity I have just shown one month figures from each of the years I have collected. It is very obvious that before the base it is steadily getting colder and after the base it is getting warmer, and by that I mean that past years are getting warmer and not the overall temperature.



You can see the rest of this, and download the Excel spreadsheet or PDF files of the data at 1880 IS getting colder!

Whilst this above is external content I have not put it in ex tags as it is my own work and not derived from anyone else.

One last chart for you



Anyone have any explanation as to how this can legitimately be correct?

edit on 18/11/2012 by PuterMan because: Maybe one day I will learn to spell check things before I create images of them!!!!!





posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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Are you saying the information in the archives is changing?

I read your post, but I am a little confused at what your overall point is.

Sorry man, I do find it interesting.

I believe that the whole global temperature thing has scientists and government officials doing whatever it takes to get their viewpoints noticed.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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So you are saying that the data from 1880 is being changed?

I want to be sure I understand you here.


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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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If you are saying what i think you are saying and the recorded mean temperature of past years is changing, then you may be on to something pretty significant.

It would not suprise me to find out these numbers are being changed to support global warming. There is just too much money it in for those making the money to let it a little thing like the truth get in the way.

I hope you have been saving screen shots, documents, and any other form of proof for these changes.

Awesome catch!
DC



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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Yes the older data is being changed. Not the data in the archives but on the published report. By comparing the 1880 figures from archived copies of the reports on the Wayback Machine I can see that the older figures are not the same. There are always figures for 1880 onwards as the text file always goes from that date, but each year the early temperatures get progressively cooler and the later years get very slightly warmer. This takes place either side of the base 1950 to 1980 figures.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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Sounds to me like some one is cooking the books.Hmmmm somebody with an agenda perhaps?Now just who would benefit from making the warming look more sever than it actually is? Follow the money.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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You could be on to something here.



Initially I thought that the evolution of technology could account for the changed figures, but in this case, all of the data will be from historical records and not from scientific analysis of sedimentary layers, ice-cores, etc.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Initially I thought that the evolution of technology could account for the changed figures, but in this case, all of the data will be from historical records and not from scientific analysis of sedimentary layers, ice-cores, etc.


Yes exactly which is why I thought it odd that the very early figures had changed. It was when I created the graph that it really jumped out of the page that the early one had gone down and the later ones gone up.

An aroma of pork in pastry containers wafted mentally though my head.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:00 AM
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It is much easier to change the past than the future. With a click of a mouse this can be accomplished, easier than getting rid of a lot of textbooks. We have created a dangerous situation where people do not read written history but are reading rewritten history. What you are saying does not surprise me at all. They will use all means accessible to them to accomplish what they desire. What you are seeing is just a small part of the history being changed, they say it is in the best interest of the people but is it? In this case we need to take better care of our world, letting the trees grow. We need the birds to supply nitrogen to the trees so they are fire resistant also. We are messing everything up but the ones that are trying to straighten it out are looking in the wrong direction. A healthy ecosystem will help this planet to make it through these times. You can put as much CO2 into the environment as you want if there are trees to eat it. Lots of trees, the older the better. Refining the CO2 too much makes it rise, removing the particulates makes it look and smell better but makes it go higher in the atmosphere. What fools we are to think what we perceive is what really is.


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posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Ha ha.
This is awesome. They probably thought no one would notice.

Just goes to show, nothing gets by ATS BS filter.
Your meticulousness and attention to detail should be rewarded.

I propose giving PuterMan the ATS Tinfoil Hat Award.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Everything that can be done to push this global warming scam, is being done.
Hell, even the weather channel no longer gives the correct temperature in the summer anymore.
Instead of saying what the temp is, they now say what the heat index is, making it sound like its way hotter
than it really is.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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I propose giving PuterMan the ATS Tinfoil Hat Award.



I'll second that at least for this morning. Seems to be the most on topic Tin hat thread.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:40 AM
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So, maybe our next step is to fact check the books ourselves?
Recorded temperature from the past doesn't change once recorded!
Our own local temperatures can be used for comparison...
Old newspapers, articles, weather reports...physical paper entries.
Those can't be manipulated!

I think you may have stumbled upon something bigger than we imagine.



Excellent work.


*S&F*






posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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If you are adding data to the mean data temperature set and charting for the whole data collection, then, yes the data will change for the entire periord.

Recording just this data set for a period and looking at the trend line will give the correct results...



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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No that is not what happens. The mean I am giving is the figure for the mean of the anomalies for the given year. This should not change over time, neither should the base set.

I agree that if you were taking a mean across all the years the value would change BUT IF the temperatures were increasing then the mean would also increase. In this case however each year is separate.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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PM, you are too awesome for words!

This shows that the agenda is what matters, not something as banal as the truth. If this data is being manipulated, what other is, and to what purpose?



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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A couple of months ago WUWT had an article about NASA GISS on this:

wattsupwiththat.com...



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by lonegurkha
Sounds to me like some one is cooking the books.Hmmmm somebody with an agenda perhaps?Now just who would benefit from making the warming look more sever than it actually is? Follow the money.


I'm thinking more along the lines of Agenda 21, sustainable development and UN control. The more negatives they can show the more positive Agenda 21 would be for the world, right?



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 10:06 AM
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How strange. That is about the time I contacted the well known climate blog about this. The blog was WUWT by the way. I never got any response from them.



posted on Nov, 18 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Puterman, first I must say that I admire the work you've put into the volcano/earthquake threads. However, these temperature adjustments are well known to us AGW skeptics. What you have found is just a continuation of these on going adjustments to show a "warming trend," to push the AGW meme. Here are some links to past blog posts from Steve McIntyre and Anthony Watts. Note the dates.

wattsupwiththat.com...

climateaudit.org...

And here is a great vid from Bob Tisdale FULLY explaining why we have warmed to the degree we have, in relation to the oceans.

www.youtube.com...

For those that can't watch it, it basically explains the El Nino and La Nina are NOT exact opposites of each other, and that La Nina is actually a heat generating phenomenon, forcing heat to build up in the Western Pacific. That heat, when released from the lower depths of the ocean during an El Nino, remains, and lingers in various regions of the oceans surface for YEARS. He also goes into the serious lack of past data that they are extrapolating from few data points to make it look like we actually have sufficient data to make the determinations of man made warming and the mysterious "adjustments" of the ARGO data. If you can, take the time to watch it. It's a two part vid and about 1 hr 35 min long in total, but well worth it, if you really want to understand the oceans role in our climate. It's eye opening.

I'll post other info in regard to solar activity later.






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