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So what fraud are you talking about here ?
We need to change the way we do things I know we have the technology to produce clean energy.
Originally posted by xDeadcowx
reply to post by PuterMan
If you are saying what i think you are saying and the recorded mean temperature of past years is changing, then you may be on to something pretty significant.
It would not suprise me to find out these numbers are being changed to support global warming. There is just too much money it in for those making the money to let it a little thing like the truth get in the way.
I hope you have been saving screen shots, documents, and any other form of proof for these changes.
Awesome catch!
DC
Originally posted by Psychoparrot
reply to post by elvisofdallas
There are many things on ATS that I take with a pinch of salt, but if Puterman is behind it then I take notice. This is seriously disturbing. Why should TPTB do this - because of the money earning potential behind climate change industries/taxes? What on earth do they want all this money for? Or is it just to keep us in a constant state of fear?
I also find it very scary indeed that so much of what I see, hear and read about what is going on in the world, now, in the past and even the future, is manipulated, distorted, like an endless game of 'Chinese whispers' (apologies for a politically incorrect expression there). I kinda feel if I can't believe my eyes and ears - I'm screwed!
I am also pro Thorium, as that is the answer for the near term, and maybe within a few decades to a century we actually manage to get something non nuclear.
Originally posted by joecool9887
I understand what you see but there is no reason to change data but who knows. The only thing I see these days is more fluctuation in temp and more in winter why I don't know this year in winter it hit 80 just unreal. It could be a sign of our weather destabilizing faster then what we thought. This is all theory of coarse. They said if it warms to much the weather could spin out of control just maybe it is starting. We need to change the way we do things I know we have the technology to produce clean energy. It just needs to move faster. We also need to save what we have left of our oil supply in case we ever need it you just never no.
Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by wlf15y
But.... but.... but it does not make plutonium No bombs /sarc
Exactly, many people don't realize that weapons potential is the ONLY reason we're using Uranium. We were actually developing Thorium back in the 50's, early 60's, but abandoned it because of it's LACK of weapons potential. And yes, it will not melt down on it's own, unless primed (designed) to do so.
There is good (maybe) news though, I recently read that the US Dept. of Energy is now collaborating with China on development, as China has fast tracked Thorium Reactors. Maybe, if Obama has anything to do with this, he will get something right for a change. Will post link if I can find it.
Ah here it is.
oilprice.com...edit on 18-11-2012 by wlf15y because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by wlf15y
Originally posted by joecool9887
I understand what you see but there is no reason to change data but who knows. The only thing I see these days is more fluctuation in temp and more in winter why I don't know this year in winter it hit 80 just unreal. It could be a sign of our weather destabilizing faster then what we thought. This is all theory of coarse. They said if it warms to much the weather could spin out of control just maybe it is starting. We need to change the way we do things I know we have the technology to produce clean energy. It just needs to move faster. We also need to save what we have left of our oil supply in case we ever need it you just never no.
You have to understand that there are things that effect our climate/weather on many different timescales. For one, there are ocean oscillations that have approximately 60 year cycles, so weather, or weather patterns we're seeing now may not have occurred in the last 60 years at least. I don't know about you, but I'm only 41 y.o. and know I haven't seen it all.
Here's the key though. When they make claims of unprecedented, never before seen, all time record, etc...when you actually do the research, you will find it ALWAYS has precedence, especially if you look at all the different proxies we have available to us now, in addition to written history. A good example is Arctic sea ice. The "records" we're seeing are the SATELLITE record, all 35 years or so of it. But there are papers out there that prove it has completely disappeared for periods during the Holocene Optimum. There is also evidence that as recent as the MWP, it was gone in summer. So apparently we still aren't as warm as they claim we are, seeing how Mann and Hansen claim we're now warmer than during the MWP.