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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 03:35 PM
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I have an open challenge to all God haters (anybody who claims YHWH is evil based on there incorrect interpretations of Holy Scripture),

If any man can show me ONE SINGLE VERSE, just ONE VERSE, that says that I should stone or hurt or kill anybody or commit violence in anyway, which applies to me today, I will publicly renounce my faith.

I will admit God is evil and following Him is wrong, if anybody can show me one verse, just ONE!

The verse MUST NOT pertain to ancient Israel, it must pertain to all followers of God to this current day.

Let's see how "evil" God is,

or maybe let's see how wrong men are with false interpretations and false judgements against their Maker.




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 03:43 PM
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Leviticus 20:9
If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

etc. etc. etc.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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So we take it to a new thread.... Fair enough...

Don't worry though.... I'll go easy on you


Lets start with some basics... shall we?

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21)

Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple." So they began by killing the seventy leaders. "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded. "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!" So they went throughout the city and did as they were told." (Ezekiel 9:5-7)

If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins. I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted. (Leviticus 26:21-22)

.......................

Lets also keep in mind this OT Tyrant is NOT the God of Jesus....

Remember what John said? God is love?

Well.... heres your chance to explain how this OT God is love...




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Looks there there are a few already.
I have a question for you though.
How can the bible as written, be of "today" when it wasn't written for "today"?

If that is your case, there is no way you can lose, the way you are asking.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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I am excited to see this renouncing of faith! Please continue!



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these.


The truth is, God is responsible for both, good and evil.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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I think that when the OP said "ancient Israel" s/he meant to say old testament because it goes on to say "the God to this current day".
edit on 13-11-2012 by kimish because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
I am excited to see this renouncing of faith! Please continue!


IF he actually renounces his Faith...

Then his so called "faith" had no solid foundation to begin with...

That tends to be the case with people that believe the OT is the word of God though...

They never actually renounce their faith... they prefer to continue on in their ignorance... and then get personal and start throwing insults around.

I've seen it happen hundreds of times....




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by godlover25
I have an open challenge to all God haters (anybody who claims YHWH is evil based on there incorrect interpretations of Holy Scripture),


Wouldn't that person be a "Yahweh hater" and not a "god hater"? You probably have no particular love for my deities but I wouldn't call you a "god hater".

As to scriptures that prove YHWH's evil intentions, you ruled out anything that was written in the OT. Jesus does all the talking in the New Testament so... that's not exactly an open an fair challenge now is it?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:05 PM
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Just before I put this I would never want you to renounce your faith in what is your chosen path, there's a whole book full of these passages though.

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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On a slightly different note, thou shall not murder was written in Exodus, which I believe came before the majority of the quotes in the post above, did it not?

Strange.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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reply to post by Akragon
 


Righteous Judgement,

You have not shown me one single verse where God commands us to kill anybody yet,

Keep trying.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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reply to post by Whatsitallabout
 


Levitical Laws,

Only applicable to ancient Israel,

Not to me or any Christian ever,

Try again.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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reply to post by Cuervo
 


Jesus is YHWH and YHWH is the God of all Flesh



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:18 PM
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Then that means the Ten Commandments aren't relevant to you either? I'm curious?



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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reply to post by icepack
 


Sovereign and Omnipresent He is,

God of everything, He is!

AV Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].

AV Dt 32:39 . See now that I, [even] I, [am] he, and [there is] no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither [is there any] that can deliver out of my hand.

AV Pr 16:1 . The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, [is] from the LORD.

AV Pr 16:2 . All the ways of a man [are] clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

AV Pr 16:3 . Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

AV Pr 16:4 . The LORD hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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never let anyone or anything get in between you and your faith

thats your own personal unique journey. that makes you. you

dont let anyone highjack this right to enlightenment

KEEP THE FAITH

peace
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posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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reply to post by Whatsitallabout
 


The Ten Commandments are applicable to all humanity,

but Jesus summed them up in three commands:

Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, soul and spirit,
Love your neighbor as yourself,
and do unto others as you wish done to yourself.



posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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reply to post by thePharaoh
 


Thank you Pharaoh.

See, even the Pharaoh knows Truth!




posted on Nov, 13 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by godlover25
reply to post by Whatsitallabout
 


Levitical Laws,

Only applicable to ancient Israel,

Not to me or any Christian ever,

Try again.


I'd like to know which verses in your bible say that those laws do not apply to you.





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