The World hates the US and I found a Potential Solution?

Well, Ed, one, the ancient land of Israel isn't consistent with the location of present day Israel. Two, most of the Israelis of today aren't descended from the Israelites of yesterday.

If this was a good thing, why did it take so long to officially establish them as a country, AND, why have they risen to such a powerful nation in this short time? Even us in the US didn't get so strong in such a short time. My opinion is that there are higher powers with an interest in facilitating this rise, and no, I am not talking about God/Gods.

Again, Ed, you make no sense. I admire Samuel L. Jackson, so I hate him? I also admire Bruce Lee; again, I guess I hate him too? Newsflash, people, any of you who admire anyone are haters. Stop hating on these people you admire!! Don't understand; ask Ed to explain it to you...

Originally posted by truthseeka
Well, Ed, one, the ancient land of Israel isn't consistent with the location of present day Israel. Two, most of the Israelis of today aren't descended from the Israelites of yesterday.

Finally someone who really knows what's going on

Modern day "israelis" are descended from eastern european jews that fled the pogroms of the last century. They are NOT descended from shem, and are therefore NOT semetic!!!

The holocaust was alll a scam to ensure these peoples a "homeland"

If all land around the globe were to be returned to it's indiginous peoples many of our problems would be solved.(not that I think it will ever happen)



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The only reason the US is a superpower is because it steals resources of the less fortuante nations in the world, and exerts its power and makes its pressence known...

Sure the world economy would go through a shaky patch, but it is the US that would suffer in the long run, merely because they do not have the resources they are so frequently invading other countries to obtain. Nor the brains to try anything else...

Plus, why would the US change anything that works so well for them...

as posted by ghostsoldier
The only reason the US is a superpower is because it steals resources of the less fortuante nations in the world, and exerts its power and makes its pressence known...

Point One: Please name a major nation who does not do as you describe the US as doing....you know, with those "less fortunate nations."
Hell, where were you when Europe literally raped Latin America, China, India, Africa, etc.? Ooppps, thats right socialism and communism hadn't come into existence till the late 1800s to early 1900s. Hmm, colonialism was still around then.....

Ah, but thats right, this is about the US and only the US. Aight.

Point Two: Prior to the US becoming the sole 'superpower', there were two, remember? The Soviet Union and socialist communism. The then Soviet Union, now Russia, was literally forced into bankruptcy by continuing to spend upwards of 30%+ of its GNP on the military [all branches].

Now the Chinese are trying to take that spot. Care to guess and wager what the Chinese are spending on their continued military build-up [all branches] as it relates to their GNP?

If history is an indication, it appears to me that at certain time periods, there are various nations that take turns "stealing resources" from those less fortunate. Its a cycle that will undoubtedly continue till the world gains a heightened sense of unity and self-awareness.




seekerof

as posted by ghostsoldier
The only reason the US is a superpower is because it steals resources of the less fortuante nations in the world, and exerts its power and makes its pressence known...

Originally posted by Seekerof
Point One: Please name a major nation who does not do as you describe the US as doing....you know, with those "less fortunate nations."

Ah, but thats right, this is about the US and only the US. Aight.

England, Australia, France, Israel etc... Most developed countries are guilty of preying on the less fortunate countries of the world, they are still guilty as the crimes are still continuing to happen - I am not and never will, say that the US is sole perpetrator of the horrific and barbaric things that happen in this world, but the nature of the thread is about the world hating the US, so that has been the focus of my discussion...

Originally posted by Seekerof
Point Two: Prior to the US becoming the sole 'superpower', there were two, remember? The Soviet Union and socialist communism. The then Soviet Union, now Russia, was literally forced into bankruptcy by continuing to spend upwards of 30%+ of its GNP on the military [all branches].

Seeing as how you seem to be familiar with the numbers of the Cold War, are you aware that the USSR was spending considerably less the the US was, on defence percentage wise?

Originally posted by Seekerof
If history is an indication, it appears to me that at certain time periods, there are various nations that take turns "stealing resources" from those less fortunate. Its a cycle that will undoubtedly continue till the world gains a heightened sense of unity and self-awareness.

This is precisely my point, its been happening since the time of the Romans and their vast slave-built empire, and its happening today with the US and its offshore military bases... The human species is doomed to continue this cycle until we eventually destroy ourselves... I for one cannot wait until that day...

Why would it be such a bad thing if there was no humans on this planet?

I definately don't hate the US at all. I just hate right wing extremist religious fundamentalists.

Sorry to break it to ya, but you can't just drag the rest of your countrymen down with you when you are disliked. Grow some balls and stand on your own. The freethinking portion of America is cool with me, infact some of them are very good friends of mine. But don't think that because nobody likes you that nobody likes them either. That's just being a wuss.

PS: That goes for all religious persuasions. If you think that lives are expendable for the sake of forwarding your religious agenda, then you deserve every bit of hostility thrown at you. That's the dumb part, it ends up being groups of people killing eachother in defense of their own version of the invisible man sitting in the sky.

[edit on 28-3-2005 by cargo]

Ha ha, Cargo, your sig is funny. Before I changed mine I had a quote from Ed. He's such a quotable...

Originally posted by NWObringer
Here's a better solution!


GET RID OF BUSH!!!

As bad as I hate to admit it, this is probably what we needed to do in the last election. Someone once said "image is everything"..and I think they're probably right on the money. People's perception of who is doing something is far more important than what they're actually doing.

Like I have said before, if John Kerry had won, we'd be at the same point in this as we are now. But, the perception would have justified the actions and excuses would have been created like "cleaning up Bush's mess" and others to make it seem like the US was back on track to appeasment again.

You all don't seem to realize that our elected leaders really don't call the shots. Its being done by the controlling interest who pay to put them where they are. These same people back both sides to make certain they retain such control. Think Algore would not have gone to war? Might be nice to tell one's self but I think we all know the reality of it.

Sometimes I feel like the rest of you. Why send our guys to foreign soil to die for someone who is ungrateful? Why spend billions to feed someone only to see it syphoned away by power hungry dictators and used against us? Why make any effort to make the world a better place at all? To help out someone in need (which almost always pisses off those waiting for them to get weak enough to conquer)?

I think the answer lies in how we, as a country have been morally and religiously condition for the last 200 years. For those who don't remember, the US began its infancy in attempts to remain neutral in world affairs. How many attemts did it take and how many times were we dragged kicking and screaming into one bloody war after another before we finally got it. No matter what countries decide to fight, if we are to remain in the world scope in any facet, we will be drawn in.

Yeah, individually, I'm sure we can all agree it would be "theoretically" the best for all if we went back to remaining neutral and just tried to be part of the world economy, that would be ideal. No need for isolationism if that would work...but for those of us who have a bit broader view of the world than just the scant amount of time we've been in it, know that has been tried and fried several times. You want the US out of international affairs..and I'd say we want out..but none of us make the decisions that count.

In other words, we cannot. We'd like to but we are not afforded that decision. The same people who gripe about it would be the very people to attempt to draw us back in.

astrocreep said
You all don't seem to realise that our elected leaders really don't call the shots. It’s being done by the controlling interest that pay to put them where they are. These same people back both sides to make certain they retain such control. Think Algore would not have gone to war? Might be nice to tell one's self but I think we all know the reality of it.

Every modern President of the United States has been a figure head, merely a face to look at, a personification of what is actually going on. Do you think we would have starving kids in Africa if the President actually was in control? Of course not, because a democratically elected leader – who makes the decisions, would have LONG ago made right the worlds wrong – Unless he was heartless like the multinational CEOs of the world that run your country…

astrocreep said
Why send our guys to foreign soil to die for someone who is ungrateful?
Why spend billions to feed someone only to see it syphoned away by power hungry dictators and used against us?
Why make any efforts to make the world a better place at all?
Why help out someone in need?

Do you think your government cares? The only thing that concerns them is the loss of money… Do you really think your government is trying to make the world a better place? The US government dumped more than 100 tons of grain, it couldn’t sell, into the ocean – merely just to keep the profits up!

astrocreep said
I think the answer lies in how we, as a country have been morally and religiously condition for the last 200 years. For those who don't remember, the US began its infancy in attempts to remain neutral in world affairs. How many attempts did it take and how many times were we dragged kicking and screaming into one bloody war after another before we finally got it. No matter what countries decide to fight, if we are to remain in the world scope in any facet, we will be drawn in.

I believe it was World War 2 that was your defining moment, it was then that you saw it was possible for your country to become a Super-Power… and since that day, you haven’t had a moments peace… I wonder why? Could it be the fact that wars are what create your wealth and power?

astrocreep said
In other words, we cannot. We'd like to but we are not afforded that decision. The same people who gripe about it would be the very people to attempt to draw us back in.

I tend to disagree, considering that most of your money comes from wars, like I said above…
What’s not broken – don’t fix…

I think what everyone fails to realize, especially those who say "so what if their country falls or gets nuked, is that fact that all of us are connected together now like we have never been before.

We exist in a global economy. If Korea sneezes, we catch a cold. If you have a computer and are reading this right now, you live in some sort of economy that is tied to other countries. If the US falls, other countries fall as well. Everyone says the world would be a better place if the US ceases to exist.

As a nation of consumers, we do just that: CONSUME. We purchase goods and services in countries all around the world. Where do you think the circuit boards in your computer are made? Where do you think your television is made? Where are your clothes made? Where are your cars made? Where is your telephone made? How does your country generate electricity? Most of these things are not manufactured in the US.

How do you think these countries make money? By selling these products to Americans. What do they do with this money? Make better lives for them and their families. If people would open their eyes, the US wants free trade kept alive so that the world will continue to turn as we have known it for the last 100 years.

If the US stops consuming, the world economy falls. What other countries consume like we do? China. They could keep it running for a while, but what happens when the consumers in the US stop buying Chinese goods?

Their economy would suffer as well.

Fact: We are all in it together. The sooner all of you figure this out, the better off we all are.

Bickering about the US this and the US that will never solve the problem. All I see here is complaining with no attempt at solution.

Ed ( I am sure ) was trying to make a point that we are connected and alike in more ways than we are different. Too many egos are involved. Join the human team and get along or perish by your own hand. the only people who have a clue about this are doing everything they can to stabilize the world. Too bad that the harder they try, the faster it will crumble.

I always used to wonder why most of the 7 wonders of the world were destroyed, but as I read most of the silly posts contained in this thread, I finally see how it happened.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

The only real reason why the United States of America has been behaving like an imperialist power so far is because the British prodded and wanted us so since the turn of the 20th century.

So look to the British. They started it. We're helping them finishing it.

"An Anglo-American network....". Note the Anglo come first before American.

Originally posted by xman_in_blackx

I always used to wonder why most of the 7 wonders of the world were destroyed, but as I read most of the silly posts contained in this thread, I finally see how it happened.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

I cant argue with that!

Know something ed, this wasnt exsactly the best plan you've ever come up with when you made this thread.....

Originally posted by devilwasp
Know something ed, this wasnt exsactly the best plan you've ever come up with when you made this thread.....

It wasnt meant to be a plan, did you read the link? I dont have the solution you know.

Originally posted by edsinger
It wasnt meant to be a plan, did you read the link? I dont have the solution you know.

I didnt mean the subject I meant how you approached it,its sort of caused several arguements....or thats just stupid human nature again.
I did read the link BTW...

Seeing as some of those thing the US is needed for, were problems caused by the US in the first place...

But ED for once i agree... get rid of your fast food crap, stop butting into other countries... the world can survive without the US... in fact i think it may be a better place... all countries will help and interfere with others to a certain extent... but the US takes it overboard and needs to scale back a bit.

Yeah I guess all the worlds problems are all the United States's fault. We are the scum, the instigators, the murderer's, the cheats......the whole world would be better off.....maybe speaking German or Russian or being converted to Islam is more your idea of Utopia?

as an american, i can't say i think much of this proposed "solution". if the us were to do half these things it's own economy would plummet. instead of opting for radical reactions to criticism, maybe the best approach is to work with the world to achieve our national goals wherever and however we can. of course, as the biggest kid in the sandbox, we'll always get criticized. if we did any of these things, we'd get criticized just as much, if not more than, we are now. it's not what we do so much as how we do it that can be changed.

-koji K.

If you isolate yourself, you will become like North Korea.

The american way of life would become so costly that only 10% of US population could afford it.
The rest of 90% would have to emigrate to Mexico.

Bye, bye miss American Pie

Originally posted by ghostsoldier

I believe it was World War 2 that was your defining moment, it was then that you saw it was possible for your country to become a Super-Power… and since that day, you haven’t had a moments peace… I wonder why? Could it be the fact that wars are what create your wealth and power?

I think it happened before WW2. I think after the first Wolrd War, we began to see that it was not as much a possibility to become a superpower but rather a neccesity if we were going to remain a country who's population governed themselves. Actually, we haven't seen a moments peace since inception because the values we once stood for were a threat to every dictator in the world. It was proposterous to most back then. A country built upon the freedom and liberty for its people. But, once it took, it didn't take long to become a prime target of every oppresive government in the world.

Now, with the breaking down of what was once a great idea by the introduction of political correctness and socialistic values which eroded away the founding concept, we are left with what you see today. So, its really no suprise that the world hates the US. It began that way and has only intensified since. The only way we ever could have survived this long was to become the super power. Most of us don't live the lives one would think when invisioning a superpower. TV really gives people a tainted view of American life.