reply to post by NewAgeMan
I thought Jewish was a "state of mind" and a practical understanding of that tradition, I really meant no harm by that and was implying that you're
enlightened in a spiritual tradition.
Oh, ok. I agree with your thoughts here.
I was trying to pay you a compliment. Honest.
I took it as passive aggressive
I know you a bit from hanging around here and I always enjoy your approach to Jewish thought, along with your apparernt knewfound tollerance even
appreciation of us mystical Christians and our way of seeing the world.
come from a Catholic family. My sister is an ardent Catholic with mystical opinions herself. I have nothing against Christian mysticism. I actually
quite enjoy reading some of their thinkers, and my favorite novelist of all time, Leo Tolstoy, was himself a Christian mystic. I also enjoy
Dostoevsky, another Christian mystic.
Christian mysticism, and me get along fine. Far better than tantrism and I,
Though, I appreciate, I really do, your clever awareness of my slight change in attitude.
You're my bro, as are all Jews, whether by heritage or by choice. As a true Christian believer, although a "gentile" I'm really a Jew as well in a
To be honest, since I'm not a Jew, but an ardent student of Judaism, and understanding the basic ideas of Judaism, being a Jew is really nothing
special in particular. You know what Yehuda (Judah) or Yehudi (a Judean, or Jew) means in Hebrew? Its mean 'to acknowledge'. That's the ancient idea
of the Jew. During Roman times, 10% of the ENTIRE empire was Jewish. That's an enormous number. What made Judaism so compelling to people? It wasn't
the 613 laws (which may have never existed at that time), it was the theology. The closeness. When you say you pray to God with sincerity, you're
Jewish. You're Jewish in spirit. That's an essential Jewish quality.
And hey, if you say that's a Christian thing too, I guess we are all Christians from your perspective. People have no monopoly, and my opinion,
shouldn't try to attain one, in being the 'objective' center which other peoples must revolve. The Jews, of course, have been an unusually special
people in history. Both in terms of their religion, their history, and their accomplishments - which is why we are always so focused on them. But that
doesn't take away from my mind the beauty and value from the good within other traditions.
The world is different, we are all from a particular place on earth, looking at the world from a particularly different perspective. Each religion
experiences the world in a slightly different way, just as each person does. The Jews may be that great 'balancer', that center weight, which
emphasizes the quality of human deeds in this world. It is intensely focused with doing good, and being good, objective; not simply in intent, but in
And I'm not saying there aren't Hindus or Buddhists or Christians or Muslims or Secularists who can't be just as good themselves. But it is a fact
that the Jewish religion puts a great deal more emphasis on the imperative to act properly - which their religion actively reprimands - than in
Christianity. Christianity, of course, does it a great deal themselves. The difference is very nuanced, as slight as the difference between acting
rightly from an inner need to act, to acting rightly because you have an inner need AND an outer obligation in the form of a 'commandment'. You would
never be able to tell the people apart morally. So, these slightly different perspectives cover our world, from the america's, where God is seen
mostly as female (although also as male) in the form of nature, and intimacy and closeness with the sanctity of her spirit, to the far east, which has
a far more remote and abstract conception of divinity, as in Zen Buddhism, for example.
My heart has taken me in the direction of Judaism. Not a bad thing. It's a good thing. But I'm not a xenophobe who can't appreciate the good in
others. In fact, I've come to increasingly understand the importance of appreciating and understanding the reality of the other.
The wolf will live with the lamb,
the leopard will lie down with the goat,
the calf and the lion and the yearling together;
and a little child will lead them.
It's beautiful in the Hebrew
וְגָר זְאֵב עִם-כֶּבֶשׂ, וְנָמֵר עִם-גְּדִי יִרְבָּץ; וְעֵגֶל וּכְפִיר וּמְרִיא
יַחְדָּו, וְנַעַר קָטֹן נֹהֵג בָּם
My political comments are just on what I consider likely to happen, based on the prior evidence. I don't trust Romney, and I trust Obama even less. In
my mind, I consider it plausible that both parties may be leading us in the same direction. In the mean time, Obama will be inching us closer to
socialism. War with Iran may still happen with him in power.
I would love to think positively, but how often do people take a spiritual positive attitude, and things still happen? Like those Jews long ago who
didn't fight when the Greeks came to fight them, because it was the Sabbath. They thought the holiness of the sabbath would protect them. Did it? No.
They got massacred. Or those Buddhists monks who light themselves afire in protest. Do the Chinese care? No, they don't. Forcing the Dalai Lama to
tell them to stop.
I believe in God with all my heart, but I think he puts it into our hands to understand the ways of the world. If someone is coming to kill you, that
God given knowledge "prepare yourself to protect yourself", is what you need to be thinking. Of course, a part of you should always foster hope for
peace and change. But you can't seriously put all yourself into it, lest what you hoped for doesn't happen and you aren't prepared or ready for the
For example, I have a fairly decent food supply in case the economy collapses and a food crisis occurs. Am I 'paranoid' for doing this? Of course not.
It's pragmatic. When you have Israel threatening to attack Iran (for legitimate reasons, I might add), and Iran threatening to block the economically
vital strait of hormuz, and the US warning Iran that if they do that the US will intervene, and you understand a block in the passage of 35% of the
worlds oil supply will lead to a serious economic crisis, and oil skyrockets, and gasoline skyrockets, and transportation costs skyrocket... Do you
understand what kind of calamity that is? Look at Yugoslavia in the 1990's. Situations such as this are very likely before us, but how many people are
ready? Or competent enough to prepare themselves?
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