Pakistani parents kill 15-year-old daughter for looking at two boys

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by kaylaluv

That's like saying not all men are serial killers, but the vast majority of serial killers are men. Do we blame all men for serial killing?

What isn't debatable is that when Muslims carry out honour killings, they often do it because the daughter is 'too Westernized'.

Worldwide -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 58%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 42%

North America -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 91%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 9%

Europe -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 71%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 29%

Muslim World -
• 'Being too Westernised' - 43%
• 'Sexual Impropriety' - 57%

Link

It is ironic that Muslims who carry out honour killings have often moved to the West and then murder their own daughters for being 'too Westernised'.

The last count for the Muslim population worldwide was over 2 billion, I believe. I have seen estimates anywhere from 1,000 up to 10,000 honor killings per year. Even at those upper numbers, one would have to admit that the vast majority of Muslims don't commit honor killings. I believe it is certain cultural pockets of Muslims and not the whole Muslim religion to be blamed here.

As i've already made clear in this thread, i blame pakistan, they are morally inept society and culture of backward thinking misfits who have no place in the modern world.

Pakistan should be disarmed of there nuclear weapons, they are a terrorist harbouring nation of lunatics.

In the light of honour killings and extremist view, what is the importance of family. Is childrens loved and cherished as inviduals and a important part of the family? What is concept of family in these extremist views.

If childrens are replaceable, used as a currency and trained as suicidal bombers, killed without doubt. Is that a Family (as we think what is fundamental family) or are childrens more like a part of the community where everyone has their own task ( like ants no offend just metaphorically speaking ) and raised to serve the community.

Does parents feel parental love, do they feel remorse after doing such a terrible thing as killing, is shame all they feel as a result of unable to teach and train their children to serve community as they were expected to?

Originally posted by kaylaluv
I have seen estimates anywhere from 1,000 up to 10,000 honor killings per year.

I notice that you haven't provided a link for your ball park estimates.

On a more tangible level, the British police have stated that there were nearly 3,000 honour attacks in the UK last year.

Alarming number of 'honour attacks' in the UK as police reveal thousands were carried out last year

Worryingly, it is thought that the real number of honour attacks is perhaps much higher due to many never being reported to the police.

What i have noticed in this thread and predicted, is not one muslim male has commented in disgust at this common hideous crime, instead we had people trying to explain reasons for this..

There are no logical thinking reason for this other then pure barbaric uneducated brianwashed emotionless culture called the islamic state of pakistan, that exports it honour killing in western societies, it has to end, and pakistan and sharīʿah only understands violence.

Originally posted by blindlyzack
Where do these animals even GET acid like what the hell

I'm not going to tell you where but it is easy to get ahold of acid.

Think car batteries and auto repair shops.

Honor killing!!!! Those two words really stick in my craw. How exactly can one derive any honor from the murder of a child?

Jail them both for 25 years and dub them up with the beasts! Then lets see how much honor they have!

R.I.P Little one!

Well that's pretty much the kind of brutality you can expect out of Islam. They don't have a word or definition of "mercy" or "forgiveness" in Sharia law. This isn't an isolated incident, just think of how many cases go unreported by other families because of the fear the same thing will happen to them? The thing i find appalling is the mothers go along with it, accomplices in murdering the own children they bore.

Thats what happens when you're brainwashed in a cult, and you know you're brainwashed when you can murder your own children and you think there's nothing wrong with it.

reply to post by kaylaluv

The last count for the Muslim population worldwide was over 2 billion, I believe. I have seen estimates anywhere from 1,000 up to 10,000 honor killings per year. Even at those upper numbers, one would have to admit that the vast majority of Muslims don't commit honor killings. I believe it is certain cultural pockets of Muslims and not the whole Muslim religion to be blamed here.

True Islam is adhereance to Sharia Law. Those who do not adhere to Sharia are often seen as apostates even amoung their own kind. Thats why you see extremists killing moderates, sunni's killing shiites, wahabi's killing salafi's and everything else in between. Extremists are the real muslim, they kill moderates for apostacy, and then the moderates say extremists are not true muslim when the extremists follow Sharia 100%.

Now go read Sharia law, and imagine the west when Sharia has been established and tell me you want your children and your decendants growing up in that world.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by kaylaluv
I have seen estimates anywhere from 1,000 up to 10,000 honor killings per year.

I notice that you haven't provided a link for your ball park estimates.

On a more tangible level, the British police have stated that there were nearly 3,000 honour attacks in the UK last year.

Alarming number of 'honour attacks' in the UK as police reveal thousands were carried out last year

Worryingly, it is thought that the real number of honour attacks is perhaps much higher due to many never being reported to the police.

Here is where I got the overall Muslim population.

www.muslimpopulation.com...

The United Nations estimates honor killings at 5,000:

The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) estimates that the annual worldwide number of so-called “honour killing” victims may be as high as 5,000 women.

www.un.org...

Here is a very long, but very interesting article that has the number of honor killings between 5,000 and 20,000, but that is the total estimate of honor killings, not just Muslim-related.

faculty.maxwell.syr.edu...

I find it puzzling that the map of countries where honor killings occur show honor killings in Russia, as the victim's home country. Are there a lot of Muslims born in Russia?? I also find it interesting that there are supposedly very high numbers of Muslims in Africa, yet there seem to be low numbers of honor killings there.

reply to post by kaylaluv

I also find it interesting that there are supposedly very high numbers of Muslims in Africa, yet there seem to be low numbers of honor killings there.

Africa? Seriously? That's because they go unreported, this is a Beast you don't understand. A Beast that operates on fear, subjugation and oppression and asking questions will get you killed. Look at whats going on in Sudan and Nigeria, they murder christians, often times attacking them at worship and burning them to death in their own churches.

Originally posted by TheMaverick
There are no logical thinking reason for this other then pure barbaric uneducated brianwashed emotionless culture called the islamic state of pakistan, that exports it honour killing in western societies, it has to end, and pakistan and sharīʿah only understands violence.

Shariah law and from where Sharia law entered this issue. what is the relation !?
Pakistan has a western supported regime. the Islamic state of Pakistan is not ruled under any law the same is Saudi Arabia !?
Pakistan is a home for radicals and jihadists, those that powers use them to Jihad against Assad in Syria and anywhere else they want !!!
and Saudi Arabia is the mother of Alghaeda !
why are all the radicals and regimes that are supporting radicalism in the middle east friends of superpowers !!!
who has equipped Pakistan and India with Nukes !? and why!?
who has closed it's eyes over mass murdering of innocent people in Pakistan and Saudi arabia ,Bahrain ,Myanmar and so on !!!

I find it alarming about the liberal and muslim bashing on this thread.

But none of you conservative christians bashed this GOP candidate when he wants it law to murder rebelious children?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

The last count for the Muslim population worldwide was over 2 billion, I believe. I have seen estimates anywhere from 1,000 up to 10,000 honor killings per year. Even at those upper numbers, one would have to admit that the vast majority of Muslims don't commit honor killings. I believe it is certain cultural pockets of Muslims and not the whole Muslim religion to be blamed here.

True Islam is adhereance to Sharia Law. Those who do not adhere to Sharia are often seen as apostates even amoung their own kind. Thats why you see extremists killing moderates, sunni's killing shiites, wahabi's killing salafi's and everything else in between. Extremists are the real muslim, they kill moderates for apostacy, and then the moderates say extremists are not true muslim when the extremists follow Sharia 100%.

Now go read Sharia law, and imagine the west when Sharia has been established and tell me you want your children and your decendants growing up in that world.

If Muslims can't agree on what true Islam is, who are you to decide what is true Islam?

Like Jewish law and Christian canon law, Islamic law is interpreted differently by different people in different times and places. In the hands of moderates, religious law can be moderate and even liberal. In the hands of post-Enlightenment readers of philosophy, religious law becomes associated mainly with ritual, theology, or history and no longer regulates society or the state.

In the hands of fundamentalists, however, it is legally binding on all people of the faith and even on all people who come under their control. Islamic law to American Muslims in Boston, or Houston is very different than Islamic law to religious Muslims in Egypt, Saudi Arabia or Gaza Strip. All follow Islamic law, yet their view of the law varies as much as individual Muslims vary.

www.saint-claire.org...

Originally posted by HandyDandy
I find it alarming about the liberal and muslim bashing on this thread.

But none of you conservative christians bashed this GOP candidate when he wants it law to murder rebelious children?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

One man is not an equivalent to possibly the fastest growing religion in the world though, is it?

And there's a lot of bashing in that thread.

Originally posted by dollukka
I find these issues sad, when girls are totally objectified. I read this morning from the news that there were also another honor killing of the girl who refused arranged marriage.

When will be female rights be equal all over the World and even have rights?
When will World be civilized in every corner ? This is from stone-age call it honor.

What do female rights have to do with a 15 year old girl getting killed by her parents for glancing at two boys...

reply to post by mr10k


They don´t kill their boys with same reason or do they?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Well that's pretty much the kind of brutality you can expect out of Islam. They don't have a word or definition of "mercy" or "forgiveness" in Sharia law. This isn't an isolated incident, just think of how many cases go unreported by other families because of the fear the same thing will happen to them? The thing i find appalling is the mothers go along with it, accomplices in murdering the own children they bore.

Thats what happens when you're brainwashed in a cult, and you know you're brainwashed when you can murder your own children and you think there's nothing wrong with it.

edit on 3-11-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

Islam overall isn't the problem. A fundamental Islamist is just as dangerous to society as a fundamentalist Christian. Although the danger they pose to society differs, and a fundamental Islamist isn't much of a danger to a society comprised mainly of fundamental Islamists.

Fundamentalist Islamists on the other hand believe much more violent things, and take it seriously, and pose little threat to their society because they live in areas filled primarily with fundamental Islamists. This is just the way these people were raised, and most likely if you were grown in this area you would act the same way.

Originally posted by dollukka
reply to post by mr10k

 

They don´t kill their boys with same reason or do they?

But what does that have to do with Female Rights. Do females in general not have a right to look at boys or something? Yes, she has a right to live, and she should have, just as much a boy would, but this has nothing to do with Female Rights.

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I agree with you, its the environment they raise their kids, and there are good muslims too. Still you ignored my question ?

It has everything considered female rights, when you are being killed because your gender and expectations how you should behave in front of community and society which has no rights for this gender.