reply to post by Valhall
How can you even say this? We've got a thread right here at ATS where skads of people were accusing the media and government leaders of "over hyping"
the storm. What the hell else do you propose they should have done than to be as blunt as "get out"? There are three sets of victims of this storm:
1. the goobers who chose not to get out, 2. those who couldn't get out (and there are some who couldn't...the elderly, the impoverished, the
homeless), and 3. those who did and still lost everything. 2/3rds of those victims are blameless for what happened to them. And the other 1/3rd
still deserve our compassion because they lost the same as anybody else...they just also chose, willingly chose, to put themselves in danger. But
don't blame loss of life in that 1/3rd on the government. I think it was pretty clear that choosing to stay was not the right choice.
How can you 'overhype' a threat to human life?
The 'skads' of people had to have been wrong, right? Hurricane Sandy was a direct threat to human life.
This isn't a situation where the authorities were right because they told people to get out, and many people chose not to. Take a look at the latest
postings/reports from people in those affected areas or close by - I mean across all forums and sites not just ATS. You will find the majority of
people who stayed were the elderly and the infirm, and those taking care of them, and people without the means to leave - either having no where else
to go or simply without transport or money. Not everyone that stayed were these folk, but just the majority from the looks of it. Exactly as was the
situation with Katrina.
And that, frankly is just as you could expect. You have mostly the poorest areas of the city worst affected because it is there the services are the
least upgraded over the past few years, or simply insufficient. You have in those areas people without the means to live somewhere better - and safer.
You have the least educated in those areas and that does not mean they are stupid, simply they are the ones with the least means to protect themselves
from the worst of a catastrophe like Sandy.
BTW talking about them as 'goobers' does nothing to strengthen your argument, it says a bit more about you though.
As for the role the local and federal government play, well it is all about how the system itself is working now, or not working, more to the point.
The authorities had years to put into operation the recommendation of that report I mentioned, that laid out a scenerio just like Sandy hitting NYC.
What have they done since then. Well, they have continued privatising public services, like the transport system, electricity, gas, water, and so on.
They have continued to allow Wall Street to run its ponzi shemes we are all paying for now. To the point where the economy is smashed, austerity
measures have been progressively implemented so that you, me and every other jane and joe pay for the speculative losses of the elites. The government
response to the economic downturn has been tax us more, roll back social welfare programs in place for decades, and leave the necessary public
services in private hands. And what did the private hands who now sell us our transportation, electricity, gas, and water do? Naturally since they are
corporations who are there to make profit and not serve human need cut back on costs - they failed to implement upgrades, they dismissed large numbers
of their workers, they even increased raised the price of their services.
So nothing much of the recommendations from that report back in 1997 was implemented. Practically zippo in fact by all accounts.
That my friend is why the government and the entire system is to blame. Hurricanes happen, and we know they are going to get worse. So why because the
economy is bad is the safety and security of the population become an expense our taxes no longer can afford? Huh? Ask yourself that question as you
watch martial law being implemented, while the lights stay on in Manhattan while those other areas, like New Jersey remain in darkness.
I've been talking about a 1997 practice run for a hurricane hitting NYC.
But there has been plenty of warning of a hurricane sandy hitting over the years.
On Wednesday last week the New York Times reported scientists have been warning New York city and state officials of the likelihood of a weather
disaster involving widespread flooding and damage to the electrical and transit systems for years. Also, I was thinking back to this one, in 2007 a
Blue Ribbon Commission was appointed by New York’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority that warned of exactly the kind of flooding of subways
tunnels we have seen these past days. That report recommended “strategic storm barriers for the NYC harbor and estuary". It sure would have helped
if it had been done. That report came out 5 years ago.
edit on 3-11-2012 by Tallone because: (no reason given)