Video of Cop Tasing Unresponsive Diabetic "I didn't know he was a freakin' diabetic!"

reply to post by Xcathdra


So tasering a guy who was just in an accident doesn't seem to........crazy?!?! To you?

That, just goes to show the state of the police forces of this country today. Your doing your fellow jackbooted thug buddies proud in every cop thread I see you in, your the problem, if you don't see there is somthing vvery wrong with this.

The zookeeper doesn't shoot a lion dead immediately if it doesn't comply with his orders, yet it is 100 times more likely to kill him than any citizen is a police officer.

The police act like they are in a urban warzone, and react as though basically every citizen they meet is trying ti kill them. This is stupid, how many police die from citizens killing them in an attack every year? What like 200 nationwide every year? How many citizens die every year from the police abusing their authority? Or just plain being a douche? Thousands?

So why do they act like the citizenry is the problem? They are the problem, they are the reason so many people don't like them, and some people do just shoot at them on site, they have beaten too many people too many times, they have shot unarmed people too many times, they have planted evidence on too many people too many times. They are worse than the scum they are supposed to be policing.

Have you ever seen the same from your buddies in blue? Don't say no, you know you have, hell you have probably even participiated, beating and roughing up a guy in cuffs already, or telling someone to shut up or your gonna beat, pepperspray, tase them again. Even though they are aloud to talk if they want, you just wanna feel powerful.

Ya we all get it, you were a cop, and you don't think there is anything wrong with their nazi brown shirt tactics, I just can't believe you don't see the hypocrtical nature of your position.

Yes cops wanna go home at night, but they don't have to be poolice, they can do any other job they want and be perfectly safe, they just enjoy the power trip, saying anything else is pure BS.

Soldiers do actually face death everyday from out of nowhere, yet they are not allowed to act the same way that civilian police do, and get away with it. Why? Because soldiers are professionals, who do it for the right reasons mostly, and are not power tripping criminal types.

Most police can't even qualify for the military, as they are too fat, or dumb, or have psychological profiles that don't fit, as they are messed up types more often than not. Who always wanted "power", but weren't good enough for the military, so they became police instead, because their behavior is appreciated by the other psychopaths in the upper echelons of the force. Insane sociopaths, tend to flock together.

I read some of the comments on the article and one kind of hit home with me. It went something lie this....

Remember way back when tasers were first being introduced into the police arsenal? They told us that they would be used to replace guns in a cituation where a gun should have been used. To subdue threats that would usually require deadly force. Now......

Would you have shot the teenager in the face with a 9mm for being unresponsive?

MOTF!

Originally posted by Xcathdra
Until you are in a position like the officer in this incident, attacking the officer and his actions is problematic. Hindsight will always be 20/20.

What position was this officer in that he needed to use a tazer for compliance?

Just some food for thought...

I can't wait till the TSHTF and we start making cops comply. Just some food for thought.

This is extremely disturbing!!

Not only could the victim have had a serious injury from being tased, but forcing someone out of a car after an accident before the EMS gets there is the stupidest thing I have ever heard!!

Are they truly teaching cops to do this??? OMG!!!!! I am so ashamed for all police who read this!! Where is your humanity??? Does it even exist?? What the hell are they teaching you guys in the academy? SERIOUSLY!

Not only could it be diabetes, but it could be a stroke, heart attack, PTSD, MS, epilepsy, or other medical factors......sorry ranting against the po po......

Disgusted is how reading this thread made me feel.........

Ok you are not allowed to swear on ATS or the MODs will be on your back, I can do the nearest thing though at this monstrous thing "You F*****g Cop reptile", i hope your Gonads fester.
What these Coppers don't realise is they live in a neighbourhood, and they are marked. I'm Diabetic, and Epileptic so i dare not pass out on the street or some cop will taze me, and make the situation worse.
Something has got to be done about these sadists, and that's all they are.

Most officers I know are trained only to give basic first aid (although I know a few that ARE EMTs) until EMS arrives. Sounds like a moronic individual...........

Another taser-happy moron...

Non-compliant people should be detained. Physically resistant people should be tased. Violent people should be shot. End of story.

Is common sense THAT hard to come by these days?

reply to post by ColoradoJens


re:
So why do they act like the citizenry is the problem?

they form like a club or a gang, its you or them mentality
it seems satanic cultist behavior too
the training seems military, since just after ww2 military train on reflex not thought

I worked with a young man many years ago that had a lazy eye. He looked drunk all the time. He always walked to work and back as he could not drive. He was constantly being stopped and arrested. This was Houston so a different officer every time i assume. I know it is very dangerous out there these days being a police officer so i kinda understand how our police officers are generally paranoid but if someone is obviously not acting in a violent way find your happy place and act in a professional caring way please.

I found this thread just a few minutes after reading the following article about Taser deployment in the UK.

www.guardian.co.uk...

I also seem to remember a case a couple of years ago in the UK where "specialist" armed police tasered a man who was unresponsive on the upper deck of a bus when it pulled in to the bus station. He too was in diabetic shock and had passed out, yet they tasered him anyway in case he was a terrorist - simply because he didn't respond or "obey" their commands.

Now, they want to arm all frontline police in the UK with these things! Before we know it, they'll be using them on the lippy drunks on weekend nights. Hell, why not go one better and get some of those cattle prods British companies manufacture and ship off to tinpot dictators to use on their people? It's the same thing after all, a pain inducing weapon used to enforce compliance. And as we see all too often these days, forcefull compliance with their orders is more important than the word of law!

There is no excuse for that officer. A moron is a moron is a moron..full stopl The give them to cops over here and they go out and taser a blind man because they think his white cane is a Samurai sword. That poor man will never go out alone again now, his life is ruined because of some trigger happy, self adoring, all commanding bully boy idiot who is far more blind than his victim! Where are we headed?

reply to post by dayve


He should have been wearing a bracelet - except I don't think it would have made any difference in this case. What if he had a head injury due to the accident?

CJ

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reply to post by Xcathdra

So what you are saying is that when a Cop comes up on an accident and the driver is unresponsive the correct action is to Tase them. That makes no sense, what if the driver had a head or neck injury.
They is no reason this Tax Feeder should have tased this young man. And his comment about not knowing he was a Diabetic, looking at his fat azz, he had better learn the symptoms.

Just an opinion.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

I wouldn't expect a police officer to be a medical doctor. I would expect one to have some basic sense. It doesn't take any kind of medical training to know someone in a car accident may be disoriented. How is being unresponsive after a car crash threatening? What if he was deaf? I thought tasers were for protection - not to make someone answer questions.

CJ

Ironically enough you had no idea the person was having a medical condition prior to the officer discovering there was one.

As I said many times before, hindsight is 20/20 and cannot be used to review an officers actions. Its what did the officer perceive the moment he used force.

Originally posted by Honor93
no one is suggesting LEOs diagnose anyone ... most of them are not qualified.

Please read some of the other posts in this thread where people think the officer should have known the difference.

Originally posted by Honor93
however, being unresponsive is a diagnosis to some extent and one that requires medical intervention.

unresponsive is not solely a medical diagnosis. In law enforcement it means the person is being uncooperative - IE I gave the individual verbal commands multiple times and he ignored them - no response / no cooperation / etc.

Originally posted by Honor93
what if the driver had a concussion, whiplash or any other reasonable damage often occurring in auto accidents ??
should the officer be held personally, financially, responsible for the driver's injuries, whatever the cause ??

While protocol states a person with injuries should not be moved, its not an absolute and is situation dependent. Secondly, acting in good faith / civil immunity comes into play. In this case the city settled, and not the officer personally.

Originally posted by Honor93
and besides, since the officer was already acting outside of his area of responsibility by responding inappropriately to a non-threat, please explain to everyone why they (taxpayers) are financially culpable for the bad behavior of another cop, yet again ??

On the off chance you are not familiar a motor vehicle accident is the primary responsibility of law enforcement, so the officer was not acting out his area of responsibility by responding. Secondly a motor vehicle accident scene falls under the authority of law enforcement and not EMS nor Fire.

As for his behavior the term you are ignoring is totality of circumstances coupled with hindsight - one of which you are ignoring and the other cannot be applied.


As I stated before, no one in this thread knew the person was diabetic until AFTER the incident occurred and the media reported on it. Respectuflly quit trying to claim the moral highground by assuming the officer should know something when you did not.

reply to post by OneisOne


All of which are also indicative of an intoxicated individual.

How long was the person in that stste prior to law enforcement arrival? When did the onset of symptoms appear in the individual? How long prior to him getting behind the wheel did it start?

Also, the ADA information is guidelines abnd not absolutes. A person can exhibit those symptons a lot osnner as well as a lot later than the time frame suggested.

Originally posted by Advantage
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Love ya to death Xcat, but when you decide the person is well and react to them by tazing or manhandling them, youre diagnosing the person as having nothing wrong with them.

The kid in the video wasnt combative.. nor was my uncle.

At what point did I state the officers actions were correct? If we go back and read my very first post I stated -

Tough call

and then listed the reasons why... As I stated, totality of cirumstances is being ignored while people are using hindisght to go aftetr the officer. Not one person in this forum knew the person was hypoglycemic until AFTER the incident occured and was reported by media.

As for comments others have made about the use of a taser -

Unless it involves a law enforcement officer who is operating in a state that falls in the 9th Federal Appeals Circuit, the use of a Taser is determined by the agency or state law.

For law enforcement in the 9th they have ruled a Taser as an intermediate tool.

reply to post by inverslyproportional


I have worked accidents where the driver who caused it was high on drugs. Have you ever fought with a person who had a broken arm yet acted like it didnt hurt?

I have fought with people who were in a state of diabetic shock who did not process pain, let alone any other verbal or physical action.

If people do some more research you will find all sorts of physical reactions that can occur that falls outside of the medical criteria. As an example some people are miswired when it comes to certain types of pain. There were 2 people in my academy class who instead of feeling pain on certain pressure points, they would instead experience a smell.

I myself suffered an incident back in May that resulted in a trip to the ER. When I woke up in ICU I had bruising all over my arms. When I asked the nurse what happened I was told that while I was intubated I began to fight. Apparently I tried to rip out the tube after I ripped out all of my IV's. Apparently it took medical and security to hold me down to gain control because nothing else was working.

An unexpected reaction is more common that what people think.

At no point did I condone his actions on using the Taser. If people spent time reading my posts and less time hating law enforcement blindly they might have noticed that. I said it was a tough call and provided the reasons why.