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Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
reply to post by MorkandMindy
pearl harbor false flag? no? sorry then i thought you humans had woken up.
Didn't have to be a "false flag"... we just let them attack us as an excuse to drop the bombs...
Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
reply to post by MorkandMindy
Originally posted by elias
Look.
Not many people can fully understand the devastation a nuclear weapon causes. It's an all encompassing game ender.
It was the end of world war two. People were angry, tired, and we wanted it to be over. Europe had been taken back, and Hitler killed himself. 1 of the 2 evil empires(in the eyes of the allies) was gone. All manpower in not immediately sweeping Europe for the remnants of the Fuhrer's army were sent to the Pacific to finish the fight, island by island. By that point, much of Japan's Navy and Air Force was gone, and all remaining forces had been called home to defend the homeland in a desperate move of self preservation.
A full invasion of Japan was planned, but ultimately dropped when Truman's administration decided that the atomic bomb was a better decision.
We had sacrificed tens of thousands of lives to take back all these islands, and PACOM didn't want to have anymore body bags to send home. They had what was looking to be a very promising game ender, so they went for it.
It wasn't like they just pushed the button on impulse. They gave the Japanese government several different chances to surrender. They refused, and what happened was entirely to blame on their leaders' arrogance and pride.
I mean, we levelled one city with the most devastating weapon ever developed. And still they said they wouldn't surrender.
So we did it again. And they finally caved. We were prepared to nuke more cities if they were still defiant.
So please do NOT make out the United States to be the aggressor here. The Japanese struck first and sent over 2,000 innocent men, women, and even children to their graves in the attack on Pearl Harbor. They also wounded over 1,100 people in that attack. It was a brilliant, but cowardly and dastardly move.
If you ask me, the Japanese military leadership had it coming. But it was their fault, and theirs alone, that their innocent men, women, and children had to pay the price in a nuclear firestorm.
Originally posted by elias
Uh, yes.
The Japanese military DID have it coming. I don't really see how the United States military can not only excuse the bombing of Pearl Harbor and the destruction of most of the ENTIRE PACIFIC FLEET, but the subsequent tens of thousands of Navy casualties as a result of naval warfare across the Pacific.
We chose to end the war quickly, because we had had enough.
And that's always been every country's MO. We bomb them into utter submission. It goes by the name 'shock and awe' today. I honestly don't know why this thread even exists, it seems to be a bunch of Japan apologists crying over spilled milk.
It's in the past. It happened, and it was justified. It sent a message to the entire world that we had suddenly set the standard for 'not to be ****ed with'.
Originally posted by Wifibrains
Here's the difference and what makes what America did wrong.
Pearl harbour was a military site strategically bombed. The nukes were dropped on cities, the public.
Nothing short of terrorism under the guise of war, I think the sickos who gave the orders just wanted to see how destructive their bombs were, not caring how much life would perish, I think they liked it.edit on 18-10-2012 by Wifibrains because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Catacomb
What war has ever been won without ground troops occupying another country it is at war with?
Originally posted by RationalDespair
Originally posted by Catacomb
What war has ever been won without ground troops occupying another country it is at war with?
What war has ever been won, period.
Any act of war is unnecessary and is orchestrated by people who´s interest it serves and not the people of the warring nations. Can you even imagine the horror of having to live through an event like the atomic bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki? I can´t, but it must have been truly horrofying. I´m pretty sure most of the killed and affected people knew nothing about the real reasons for the war and would rather have lived than die proud for an unknown and unjustified cause. No sane person wants its country to participate in a war, especially not on their own soil. No child thinks we should bomb another nation because they think different or have something of value we could steal, yet they . It´s in the process of growing up ("education") where we are taught that only "our" culture is good and we should eliminate anyone else who is different and that stealing resources from poor nations only serves their own best interest. Divide et impera.
Originally posted by StellarX
In wars people die and since the US government of the time CHOSE to intervene in Japans war of aggression against China and others and CHOSE to institute a oil blockade against Japan it should have been ready to face the likely result of taunting and threatening a fascist militarized state. The fact that the US armed forces were essentially caught unprepared everywhere just suggest that people who are aware of events leading up the Pearl harbor should in fact be holding the US navy/ US government responsible for the lack of preparedness.
Originally posted by TheKeyMaster
I have heard that they dropped the bombs on those locations in Japan because those were sites where the Japanese work working to develop their own nuclear programs, but I don't know if this information is accurate.