If you were the messiah would you know? The chosen one and what that really means. MESIAH-NESS

It is seldom that I reply to posts on ATS. Long time member from back in the day when intellectuals built this forum.

OP you ask how would you know if you were the Messiah and cap that with a tongue in cheek, Messiahness.

One thing I can't stand to read is baiting cleverly wrapped in agenda. You do not ask in your post and question about any other messianic figure other than Jesus. Clearly, and this is where you fail to establish a sound and believable position, you are questioning the legitamacy of the historic figure, Jesus of Nazareth, and if he or others deemed him as the son of God.

You ask, How, when, why, where, did Jesus suddenly come to awareness that he was the son of God. You elude in the opening statement of your writing that he, at thirty years of age, suddenly came to awareness that he was the Messiah or the Son of God.

You pose the question repeatedly, So just how did this Jesus guy come to think he was the son of God?

Clearly, you made your point in fewer words than were necessary. Why do you pose a question about Jesus being the son of God and when and how did he come to this realization when you don't believe in Jesus to begin with.

I won't waste my words. Thrift is the essence in language and the conveyance of thought. Simply put, Anti-Christ is not a man nor a beast. It is simply a matter of belief or disbelief. If you do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was or is the son of God or the Christ then you are simply...anti christ. It's incredibly simple especially in this so called advanced free thinking world that supposedly reads betweens the lines. A world in which psuedo intellect has replaced any feeling or emotion.

It is indeed all very simple and a question wasted on the vapid and computer educated always in need of empirical evidence. Do you believe that Jesus exsisted? Do you believe he did the things he did? If you do not, than YOU and those of your ilk are the Anti Christ, period. By definition, if you question the exsistence of prophets, then you don't believe in prophets or prophecy, be it Mohammed or any other.

You are like most others in todays society. You are packaged into a box where the inexplicable is unacceptable.
There is info and disinfo on ATS. The only problem is that we have to discern who the author is and what are their self interests. I believe that there are people on ATS, a global community, who are every bit against Christianity as there are those who are against Mohammed.

My last word before your post falls into oblivion and off the main page. You didn't need to ask a question of others that you knew yourself. YOU, are Anti-Christ, and so have become millions of others who wear intellectualism as sheepscloth. How does it feel to be against a man who taught peace, forgiveness, and kindness? Do you need more proof of these values? I am certain that you and those like you need proof to validate that a message of peace can stand the test of science and intellect.

Basically, you don't believe in Jesus being a messiah. That means you don't believe in Jesus as Christ, which in turn, makes you anti christ. Accept it. Don't vomit it into the atmosphere to tempt others into justifying their own beliefs. I accept you don't believe that Jesus was a messiah, don't make a poor attempt at baiting others into justifying their beliefs. At that point you just become an atheistic troll looking for a public debate.

Originally posted by klhix
It is seldom that I reply to posts on ATS. Long time member from back in the day when intellectuals built this forum.

OP you ask how would you know if you were the Messiah and cap that with a tongue in cheek, Messiahness.

One thing I can't stand to read is baiting cleverly wrapped in agenda. You do not ask in your post and question about any other messianic figure other than Jesus. Clearly, and this is where you fail to establish a sound and believable position, you are questioning the legitamacy of the historic figure, Jesus of Nazareth, and if he or others deemed him as the son of God.

You ask, How, when, why, where, did Jesus suddenly come to awareness that he was the son of God. You elude in the opening statement of your writing that he, at thirty years of age, suddenly came to awareness that he was the Messiah or the Son of God.

You pose the question repeatedly, So just how did this Jesus guy come to think he was the son of God?

Clearly, you made your point in fewer words than were necessary. Why do you pose a question about Jesus being the son of God and when and how did he come to this realization when you don't believe in Jesus to begin with.

I won't waste my words. Thrift is the essence in language and the conveyance of thought. Simply put, Anti-Christ is not a man nor a beast. It is simply a matter of belief or disbelief. If you do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was or is the son of God or the Christ then you are simply...anti christ. It's incredibly simple especially in this so called advanced free thinking world that supposedly reads betweens the lines. A world in which psuedo intellect has replaced any feeling or emotion.

It is indeed all very simple and a question wasted on the vapid and computer educated always in need of empirical evidence. Do you believe that Jesus exsisted? Do you believe he did the things he did? If you do not, than YOU and those of your ilk are the Anti Christ, period. By definition, if you question the exsistence of prophets, then you don't believe in prophets or prophecy, be it Mohammed or any other.

You are like most others in todays society. You are packaged into a box where the inexplicable is unacceptable.
There is info and disinfo on ATS. The only problem is that we have to discern who the author is and what are their self interests. I believe that there are people on ATS, a global community, who are every bit against Christianity as there are those who are against Mohammed.

My last word before your post falls into oblivion and off the main page. You didn't need to ask a question of others that you knew yourself. YOU, are Anti-Christ, and so have become millions of others who wear intellectualism as sheepscloth. How does it feel to be against a man who taught peace, forgiveness, and kindness? Do you need more proof of these values? I am certain that you and those like you need proof to validate that a message of peace can stand the test of science and intellect.

Basically, you don't believe in Jesus being a messiah. That means you don't believe in Jesus as Christ, which in turn, makes you anti christ. Accept it. Don't vomit it into the atmosphere to tempt others into justifying their own beliefs. I accept you don't believe that Jesus was a messiah, don't make a poor attempt at baiting others into justifying their beliefs. At that point you just become an atheistic troll looking for a public debate.

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You are being rather hard on someone asking a reasonable question don't you think? In this current global society its even easier to be confused. Most of your "anti christs" are born out of intolerant comments from "So Called Christian's"...why are you so angry. Why would you begin your post with insinuating the current members are lesser than the you and the original founders, you say intellectuals, but you condemning the OP for trying to use his intellect? Jesus/Immanuel/Yeshua...you are on shaky ground with your choice in word's.

This kindness and tolerance he promoted...where is that in your post?

The OP is trying to find his beliefs...you aren't being part of the solution..therefore you are being part of what?

You have no room to judge...stop and read what you wrote, it's rather angry, try to have a bit of tolerance...someone you claim to favor taught such things.

The real anti-christs are leaders that do not have the ability to harmonically lead...they are imbalanced mentally. First 2, Napoleon and Hitler...we should be looking for another imbalanced leader...not every person that asks a question about the messiah is an anti-christ...nobody is born understanding any of this...every new born is an anti-christ to you? Really get a grip and help people find their way...don't put them down for not understanding or agreeing with you. If you are an intellectual...let it shine forth in your threads...GOLDEN RULE...try it

Forgive him OP...

Originally posted by klhix
It is seldom that I reply to posts on ATS. Long time member from back in the day when intellectuals built this forum.

OP you ask how would you know if you were the Messiah and cap that with a tongue in cheek, Messiahness.

edit on 10/17/2012 by Drala because: (no reason given)

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OP asked....

If you were the messiah would you know? The chosen one and what that really means. MESIAH-NESS

Sorry OP...I felt compelled to defend you

reply to post by klhix


hey, you no likey.....go walky......

hows that for a page full of tripe and BS criticizing people.....

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yeah I already forgot about it. I usually would just respond showing that everything he accuses people of, he is guilty of. Like the accusation of using intellectualism to insult others....his post is full of it for example...

Then there is the fact he called me THE anti Christ....HAHAHA, I would have a field day showing how unbalanced and insane he is....and the fact he says he is a long time member.....but joined not long ago, and participated in almost nothing. So....lies are easy to showcase, but...

Ultimately it is sad to be stuck in your frame of mind and never grow up.


Thanks!

Good looking out!

Good question OP, I asked this same question about the anti-Christ before. Assuming this stuff is all real you'd have to wonder do these special people get mentored? Are they dropped an instruction manual?

Maybe they have no clue but the path is already set and certain obstacles are placed by fate, meaning everyone on Earth failed the test, thus triggering the re-arrival. So this Christ figure takes about 30 years to figure it out and once again comes out of the dessert. This figure could of spent a quarter of his life dropping key clues in sort of a social spotlight and he himself probably didn't even realize it, heck he might be autistic. But if he returns, then the world has failed, particularly his father's own.

Originally posted by reficul
well for one,you have to be jewish,and be able to prove you are of royal blood from the house of david.
only then can you be annointed as the king of isreal.
messiah is greek for annointed one.
when mary washed jesus' feet with oil,using her hair,she was annointing him (messiah)as king.
perhaps people should brush up on their religious history before spewing off their personal veiw of 'christianity',which did not exist at the time of the christ!
messiah is purley jewish,and they dis regarded jesus as the messiah, and they are still waiting for their messiah to return!
just read about ancient judaism,and you will find that there was different sects of this belief at the time.
it wasn't until rome came to occupy, and single handedly fabricate a whole new religion.
a state religion called christianity.
read the history books people,they all point to the fact that christianity was,and is, a made up belief!
i do believe jesus existed as a man,but NOT as the son of god!
i don't believe in santa,or the easter bunny either!

peace

Who wrote your "history books"? This is what you cannot acknowledge

1) The religion of Judaism is NOT the faith as expressed in the Old Testament. The Jewish encyclopaedias tell the world this and so did Christ Jesus, yet mankind still believes contrary.

2.) Christ Jesus was proclaimed from Genesis:
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest

Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest

These facts exist, yet your conclusions dismiss them. Jesus flat out told the Jews of His day that many of them were not His because whilst they claimed to follow Moses they denied what Moses and the Law proclaimed - that God would be their very salvation. They could not see who was standing in front of them because they rejected the very one they claimed to worship and the very scripture and prophets that proclaimed it. Can you not see that believing that the Romans invented the New Testament gospels is utterly false when they had nothing to do with the writing of any of the books contained within ancient scripture that declared God's chosen method of salvation in Genesis - "the blessed God shall come down teaching"?

Faith in Our Father in Heaven has allowed the Light to shine onto this planet of darkness for nearly 2,000 years as He reigned through the kings and priests in Christ upholding His laws in our lands allowing the salvation of untold numbers. But as Revelation declares, Satan is released as the chains which bound him - Faith - is all but destroyed. He is rampaging across this Earth bringing his destruction and desolations through war. Tunguska was his arrival - immediately followed by every sort of aircraft and military patent filed and two world wars. It is no coincidence that in just one hundred years we have gone from horseback to advanced technology able to annihilate all of us in just one hour. He chases Israel, the Lord's portion, and as the power of the holy ones are broken, the end looms. This Earth is cursed due to sin, and once the world rejects His offer of salvation, His sin sacrifice, it will be burned as the law requires. Man is coming to it's showdown with it's Creator, and it is a foregone conclusion that it is He that is King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Look at the world. History repeats. What was, will be again. Just as in the days of the flood, very few will understand the destruction that is coming.

reply to post by BIHOTZ


This question is easy. Id go to a lake of water on walk on it.

"I saw a man despicable, broken down and in pain."

-The Apocalypse of Zerubbabel

This is the only description of the "one" I have found.

despicable
broken down
in pain

But the real question is,
why does the OP want to know.


Mike Grouchy

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the jews have an encyyclopidia to teach them about their faith???
gee,just when you think the law of moses was enough!!!!
(there actually egyptian,read the book of the dead,all the laws are in there,plus a few more for kicks!
oh wait,wasn't moses raised as an egyptian? i wonder where he got his law from!!!?)
put religion aside friend,and study history!
look at it this way.
just because the bible doesn't mention once about the pyramids,doesn't mean they didn't exist in jesus time!
leave god out of the equation for a while,and then look at history,it may shock you!
wake up!!!
ever wonder why they call them selves 'roman catholic'?
roman is self explanitory.
catholic is latin for universal.
thus,just from their title,i conclude that the romans MADE a state religion for every one - OR ELSE!!!
in comes the inquisition!!!!
praise the lord(which ever one they tell me to praise!) or else they will kill me!!!
nice faith!

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But the real question is,
why does the OP want to know.

Mike Grouchy

curiosity....why ask anything at all...to learn, to explain things,

and to ease the burden of not knowing. Find my peace.

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Yeah, I got a memo from old Nick the other day, he said I better stop wasting my time on the UFO threads and start 'attacking' posters who make threads about religious stuff. I don't want to get sacked as I'm just a 'lowest level initiate' so I logged on straight away, and here was a thread about the 'messiah'......sweeet! I showed my boss the comments I posted and he rewarded me with a porn mag and two Slayer CDs......sweeet!

not gonna touch that

reply to post by LesMisanthrope

I think the Maitreya will arrive before any messiah.

thanks for the warning!

Hi OP thanks for the thread..

Here is Maitreya and his message...









These go back to 2009...

3 years on.. who knows what he is going through?

According to this artist (who goes by the name of Maitreya) he is an Aquarian male born in the year of the Dragon! That would make him 36.. perfect Messiah age.. also interestingly enough he resides in East London Hackney not only home to the "2012" olympics but also the place where one Benjamin Creme (Share International) says Maitreya is awaiting to emerge..

Pieces of the puzzle coming together or... just grasping at straws..

You decide

reply to post by klhix

If you do not believe that Jesus of Nazareth was or is the son of God or the Christ then you are simply...anti christ.

What a gloriously oblique way to state quite simply, "If you're not with me, you're wrong." So often, your fellows pull the exact same fecal-quality stunts as you accuse atheists of committing, but you excuse your own acts by claiming that you have the approval of a deity that only you believe in.

It's a never-ending circle of self-righteous mockery and bullcrap. Do you never get sick of it? Get sick of the judgment games and all the 'holier than thou' debates? Why does it matter? Why does it matter who's god is bigger and badder, and who is living more righteously? Why does it matter who is right and who is wrong?

In my humble opinion, you are the worst of the bunch. Everyone else takes credit for their mistakes, and they at least accept that they are flawed - even if they make no attempts to change it. You can't even do that. Until you admit your own flaws and learn to accept others for theirs, don't expect us to respect your views...especially when you condemn us for ours.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
If you were the messiah, would you know?

What if you were the messiah and didn't know it. If it was only revealed to you completely at the age of 30 like Jesus. He was there as a kid, and then nothing, and then.....JESUS.

He might have gone through a transformation process or training in India like some suggest.

What if he was chosen by a power we do not fully understand. What if he was chosen from the world's population by a consciousness rather than an entity?

I could imagine a person coming of age, unlocking himself, being incredible, and then being killed out of fear. Then his followers attributing what mysteries and attributes they felt necessary to convey his message as best they thought.

I don't know if this is insulting. If it is, I understand and can very well accept your version of events as well. This is purely speculative. Let's say though for a moment, what if you are a locked messiah (prototype for next human evolution), and since you will be one day worthy, the consciousness of that future more perfect existence of mankind, through time, will reach to your mind and chosen you to be unlocked.

This is very much "out there" but so is sky wizards and magic people....yet we all kind of believe, we just don't want to commit since we don't want to be that wrong about something so important, or not.

Faith huh.....would you need more of it to become a messiah, or would you have it naturally, if you were a messiah in a process of formation?

I say that the whole concept of the messiah and the anti Christ are taken way out of context.

It is not about a son of a magical entity fighting the son of another. The way I see it is simply two opposing forces. One for unity consciousness, the other for singularity. The two are prototypes for humanity at a cross roads. Any one no more valid than the other. Simply put, Ying and yang. Female and male forces establishing the new order of things. One in supremacy then not, then the other in supremacy, then not. Both Establishing a new cycle. Both ending the old one. One to rule.

I wouldn't say evil and good. I would say chaos or order. Both have their pros and cons. I would think that the way humanity is geared today, that its disposition would favor the order side of things. Chaos had its run and gave us the primordial rage we must temper now.

SO messiahs to me are not "the chosen one" though there has to be a first. They are the prototype of a future model of humanity. Humanity 2.0 /Jesus 2.0

His opposition is devil 2.0. He had his run but failed to establish his standard for humanity. His legacy was erased in the great flood. Reset. Now the other side of the force of life is set to be made supreme.

I digress......thoughts? Would you know if you were the messiah /evolution prototype?

Would you have to be pretty damn special or very damn average? Think about it, you will be both human and divine, you will be tasked with understanding human existence, and be asked to save it from the opposing force that itself would completely understand it.

I could see the anti Christ being the son of the most important people in the world, and his opposition to be oblivious to it and live in Chicago, be a construction worker, and not even know it until it just hit him, and he could perform miracles.

The fact that it is said that many will be able to perform miracles and will be self proclaimed messiahs, will make me believe then that the standard is set, and humanity can progress into its new existence. Maybe the whole "there can be only one" thing is an effort to control us into not allowing ourselves to be closer to our true form, so as to keep us dumb and blind.

What if Jesus' real message was that we will all become closer to god LIKE HIM, and some who want to hold all that power think they can trick us into fighting the other ones like him, because they will provide the false Christ, and say HE IS THE REAL AND ONLY ONE.

If you find yourself walking on water, knowing all things from source, and having super natural abilities, don't say you are the anti Christ, say you are like the Christ. You are humanity 2.0. Unity 1.0, and if anything anti singularity BETA.

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,here is only one "the" Messiah, (Christos) in the Greek. When talking about Jesus as "the" anointed in the Greek it's preceded by the definite article "the", (hu in Greek). Use of the definite article hu in Greek signifies "a specific one different from any and all others". The sentence structure indicates there is only one "the Messiah".

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
According to this artist (who goes by the name of Maitreya) he is an Aquarian male born in the year of the Dragon! That would make him 36.. perfect Messiah age.. also interestingly enough he resides in East London Hackney not only home to the "2012" olympics but also the place where one Benjamin Creme (Share International) says Maitreya is awaiting to emerge..

Pieces of the puzzle coming together or... just grasping at straws..

You decide

The guy is talented... No doubt. I've had the good fortune of producing and engineering several dozen like him though.

It just goes to show you exactly what we're all capable of.

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"Many are called but few are chosen."