Amanda Todd: The real culprit revealed

reply to post by Sablicious


So, according to you the blood would be on Canadian hands?

Yet you still blame America because it shares borders, insulting to Canadians every where you act like they are mindless zombies that must accept american culture. Canadians are able to choose what they like just as well are they not? Kinda messed up to act as if Canadians have no culture of their own.

You're wanting to point a finger so hard, but why?

Let's start at the Parents instead of you blaming EVERYONE ELSE, do you see the flaw in your argument?

Probably not.

Also there is no "IF she was Canadian" She is as it was stated many times by news agencies, BC teen, but yeaaaah...

Please, continue...

I think it's impossible for us to know what was going on in her head but I see her as a girl with low self esteem that tried to feel wanted and/or accepted in a way that backfired to such a point that it pushed her over the edge. I do feel that the harassment contributed to that but also recognize that she herself was the one who killed herself. I don't feel that the blame can lay at the feet of the bullies, her parents, herself or of society at large alone. I feel that it was a "perfect storm."

Also, she was Canadian but as America gets blamed for most everything, founded or unfounded what's one more thing...

reply to post by Sablicious

Perhaps, herein lies another of the core problems: had she been "ugly", it's reaonsable to assume that no one would have taken the time to 'lambaste' her, as is implied.

Nor would they have cajoled her into flashing her boobs and doing whatever else she did. That double standard is a point that is well made.

reply to post by olliemc84


only real pieces of evidences are recorded videos of her, which is illegal because its Child Pornography. But from what I've read from various forums from people who've seen her "stuff", she did a lot of these shows on stickam, which if you didn't know, allows multiple people to cam with you.

i think she was given too much of a hard time for doing stupid things stupid teenagers do. Sure could've used a scolding from her parents, maybe some mocking by classmates.But people tend to take things too far,and drive people off a cliff.

Originally posted by Komonazmuk
So, according to you the blood would be on Canadian hands?

If Canadian society was the prevailing influence on the girl then, ipso facto, the blood is on Canadians' hands.

In actuality, there are multiple parties involved; such as the girl's obvious lack of parental guidance. But the influence of a society that inculcates its populace with 'violence = cool!' and 'sexuality = abominable', cannot be denied.

reply to post by Sablicious


Lets not forget to enter personal accountability. No need for a blame game.

Originally posted by Komonazmuk
Lets not forget to enter personal accountability. No need for a blame game.

She was a 'kid' when she engaged in the acts and only 16 when diseased, right? If she can be held responsible then we should try all "child criminals" as adults.

She was mentally unstable--patently. But, in the same way as a certifiably 'insane' person is not held accountable for their actions (in civil society), so too cannot this girl be considered fully conscious and cognitive of her actions and their repercussions. Right?

Originally posted by Sablicious
Okay. If she was Canadian, I stand corrected... about 'the guns'.

However, the criticism of the glorification of violence and the demonisation of the naked human body and sexuality in religio-centric cultures still stands. Canada is contiguous to the US, so the influence is inarguable.

If this girl had not been indoctrinated to believe her actions as some diabolical sacrilege deservëd of ostracism - were they a mere 'flashing' of her mammary glands or something more intimate conducted with someone she trusted - she would not have had the compulsion to act in the way she did.

Suffice to say, she was damaged goods--anyone who kills themselves without extreme justification (e.g., a torturous terminal illness) is. But, to deny the insular puritan mindset in question is equally culpable, is ignorance in the extreme.

Originally posted by kimish
She was a beautiful girl too. It's sad.

Wholly subjective, but if she was less 'aesthetically pleasing', would her death have been less impacting?

Perhaps, herein lies another of the core problems: had she been "ugly", it's reaonsable to assume that no one would have taken the time to 'lambaste' her, as is implied.

As such, I might suggest that if males did not objectify females - and then turn this physical worship against them whenever it suited their bent - perhaps this kind of thing wouldn't even be an issue.

As long as Amanda Todd is a "slut" and 'Andrew Todd' a stud, people should hardly be surprised that this kind of thing happens.

edit on 16-10-2012 by Sablicious because: (no reason given)

Have you heard of inflated convoluted language? If not you should look it up...you are not really being part of any solution here...

Just feeding into another fire...with all due respect...you should read what you type before you post it. Are you on drugs?

I second the idea this is just a rant...glorified insidious verbosity of the most grandiose proportions

Originally posted by kimish

Originally posted by olliemc84

Originally posted by kimish
yes, she did pose nude for numerous men. And yes, she did masturbate online for numerous men. There was no "one" harasser, there were many and She did what she did out of shame.

Do you have any sources for that?

Was just curious because the entire story smells of BS to me. Why would this kids parents allow all this $hit to happen?

Did your parents know everything that you did?

Honest question.

I'm 32 and my parents didn't know every single thing I did at that age nor did my friends parents.

Think about what you said for a moment, without emotion.

Listen, I'm with you. This girl was obviously up to no good and was playing her parents the entire time.

And no my parents didn't know everything that I did. Nor do I think they would really care. But I was a relatively good kid and not sending pictures of my package or anything to strangers online.

I'm not saying your story was BS. I'm saying the entire Amanda Todd story is BS.

reply to post by Sablicious


Look we can play shenanigans til the cows come home.



Do I disagree there were men harassing her? Nope.

Do I agree it's ok to bully someone? Nope.

Bottom line; no one else murdered her.

It is unfortunate, and it is sad, yet you were trying to blame a foreign country for her murder, and snuck in some anti-gun agenda to boot.

I believe our interaction has come to an end.

Adios Amigo

reply to post by Drala


Sorry for the drug question...it's rhetorical...looks like pot poetry to me...I am not saying anything is wrong with it, I have myself from time to time...just saying its pretty over the top what you posted...you could trim the fat off that lyrical steak. It distracts from the point of your post...whatever that was...

Originally posted by Svipdagr
reply to post by olliemc84

 

only real pieces of evidences are recorded videos of her, which is illegal because its Child Pornography. But from what I've read from various forums from people who've seen her "stuff", she did a lot of these shows on stickam, which if you didn't know, allows multiple people to cam with you.

Ok thank you for the info.

I have never heard of sickam.

I started a thread here and immediately received threats on my u2u and called crazy for saying that this entire story could be for the most part fabricated to fool the sheep of the world, and it seems like it is working.

Everyone online there are Amanda Todd memorial sites.

Originally posted by kimish
reply to post by coyotepoet

 

I agree whole heartedly. The entire thing is a shame all the way around. On all party's. She was a beautiful girl too. It's sad.

The campaign for her shouldn't be anti-bullying, it should be anti-whorish.

Here in lies the problem. She chose to expose her body and people throw out labels like 'whore', 'slut' etc. She was a teenage girl experimenting with her sexuality and you label her 'whorish'. She was too young to even know what she wanted from life.

These labels are the real problem. Unfortunately, the information super highway has exposed many things about people that would otherwise be unknown but you labelling people like this is the real problem.

Who are you to judge the girl as 'whorish'? Your sh*t doesn't stink? :shk:

reply to post by Svipdagr


Svipdagr, funny, I just worded and commented on the other Amanda thread just minutes ago something very similar to this. Good job, you had the same thoughts I had, just before I did. I should have read this thread first but I agree.

on another note, on the premise of the opening of this thread ...it is ridiculous and out of the ball park--wayyy out.

*Svipdagr, you likely may not know, but this reminds me of this Canadian boy who went missing/took off because his parents finally went through with their threats to remove his x-box because of failing grades, failing to follow through with schoolwork, home-life etc etc. After a police hunt, he was found dead from falling out of a tree (likely trying to be up high to get his bearings??). en.wikipedia.org...

I find that perhaps after this event (oh along with many other reasons) that parents are truly AFRAID to take away children's precious computer-time. Sad sad, but it MUST be done for the sake of sanity.

also: new info----Cruel Amanda Todd comment on Facebook costs Toronto man job cnews.canoe.ca...

let the witchhunt begin, sigh. It only proves that bullying DOES effect and affect many people once #hit starts rolling downhill, it won't stop till it makes everyone a stinker.

Perhaps you haven't watched network TV lately, nor listened to popular music? Where exactly is the "Christian" influence coming from in America? Church attendance is at an all time low, and all things God related are vilified. Europe has some of the same issues with their youth as we do, you can't blame their problems on faith. (Actually, you can, but that faith is called athiesm)

Originally posted by kingofmd
Perhaps you haven't watched network TV lately, nor listened to popular music? Where exactly is the "Christian" influence coming from in America?

The only influence comes in the form of conservatism--the very mentality that makes girls like Amanda descend into depressive states when they indulge in normal adolescent experimentation.

If being a so-called "slut" did not have the conservative, social stigma it's associated with, she would not be dead. /facts

If you look at the story, a pedophile had basically set out to make her life miserable. She would change schools, he would create a fake online persona posing as a new kid at her new school and spread rumors and distribute images of her breasts to her fellow students. For a kid in high school, this is very hard to cope with.

As adults we can look back and blame her lack of self-esteem and poor choices, but who really has an abundance of self-esteem or never makes a mistake in his or her teenage years? If you were constantly tormented by your peers and stalked by some sadistic pedophile do you really think you would turn out differently? Everywhere she went this sick stalker would alert her peers of her past, and she would be tormented for it. Even after her death her peers are still talking trash about her, like as if her death was a justified one.

This disgusts me, but I guess some people can't appreciate the value of life.

Kids in high school really don't understand that life beyond high school is much different, hence why all of that, "it's just high school, it doesn't matter," talk falls on deaf ears.

Originally posted by kingofmd
Perhaps you haven't watched network TV lately, nor listened to popular music? Where exactly is the "Christian" influence coming from in America? Church attendance is at an all time low, and all things God related are vilified. Europe has some of the same issues with their youth as we do, you can't blame their problems on faith. (Actually, you can, but that faith is called athiesm)

It's not atheism, most kids just don't care about god these days; they aren't self-proclaimed atheists, they are just indifferent because god doesn't play a role in human life, as it never has and never will.

Besides, leaving god behind is a great sign that we as a species are finally progressing beyond the superstitious beliefs that we've clung to for tens of thousands of years in the form of one religion or another (i.e. Sun worship). I expect that within 100 years all religion will be nearly extinct.