Koch Brothers threatening layoffs if Obama Re-Elected

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by MrXYZ
The Koch brothers are the nail on the coffin of democracy

If their opinion agrees with your vote, you should seriously reconsider your vote...

People can say the same about Soros and the K Street crowd.

The majority of people don't want to fix things. Not if it affects them. Once that hurdle is cleared, maybe, just maybe there will be hope.

There are basic differences between the Koch Brothers and Soros.

The Koch Brothers are Libertarians who believe in US hegemony and Capitalism. They made their billions thru industry (they actually produce something).

Soros believes in Socialism and the UN. During the 2008 Davos Economic Forum, Soros urged the other member nations to drop the US Dollar as the world's Reserve Currency. He said "the world needed a new Sheriff." He made his billions thru currency manipulation (he didn't actually produce anything).

The member nations voted him down. I wonder what nation he wanted as the new world "Sheriff."

For those who do not understand what it means for the USD to be dropped as the Reserve Currency, it means the US Dollar would be worthless overnight -- unable to purchase anything.

And the Obama fans believe Soros is a friend to the US.

Originally posted by IrVulture
A new phase to the corporate takeover of America....

Koch Industries, other CEOs warn employees of layoffs if Obama is reelected

I'm not a big fan of the Koch Bros. but your thread OP is misleading. The quote by Koch Bros that was sent out to employees was this:

"If we elect candidates who want to spend hundreds of billions in borrowed money on costly new subsidies for a few favored cronies, put unprecedented regulatory burdens on businesses, prevent or delay important new construction projects, and excessively hinder free trade, then many of our more than 50,000 U.S. employees and contractors may suffer the consequences, including higher gasoline prices, runaway inflation, and other ills. This is true regardless of what your political affiliation might be.

Now as I read it, and as logic dictates, the Koch Bros. were telling employees that based on POLICY of the POTUS, their industries might be effected as they already have. (Boo Hoo poor Koch Bros).

BUUUUT, they employ people and those people have families, so YES, it is a warning that will effect middle class people, and I don't have any sympathy for the KB's, but this release by them to their employees doesn't seem like a veiled threat as your title and OP suggests.

If KB's truly felt employees would be effected by policy, why would they no share their opinions as CEOs?

You and I may not like the KBs but going so far as to suggest that Billionaires would SABOTAGE their own business to political prove a point is ludicrous.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Look into Soros and the people he "Donates" to. And his business ties while your at it.

He's no better. Just a different agenda.

How is he circumventing democracy like the Koch brothers? Again, I'm not talking about donating money, I'm talking about telling people if they vote one way they will LOSE THEIR JOB. That's a MASSIVE difference.

I'm not even approaching this from a stance of agreeing or disagreeing with the Koch brothers' views...merely from a "it completely destroys democracy" point of view.

Soros ISN'T telling people they'll lose their job if they act on their right to vote, and he he sure isn't trying to disenfranchising entire population groups like they are.

No, Soros is far more nefarious and insidious. Instead of openly proclaiming his intentions, Soros funds media outlets and political or quasi-political groups to influence politicians & voters.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Read the story, they were giving their opinion on how they think things will go if Obama is re-elected. Not telling them how to vote...
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And Soros has boasted about bringing down other countries economies. You think that doesn't affect jobs?

Excellent point, TDawgRex. Soros doesn't care what happens to the "small people" of the economies he destroys.

He made his 20 Billions thru currency manipulation. It's a game to him. Just as interfering with a nation's politics is. Soros could give a $&*! what happens to the citizens.

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
So... Koch Industries claims that Obama's policies are hindering buisness.... but....

In 2011, the company had its best year ever with revenue of $110 billion. It’s on track to exceed that this year.

Read more here: www.kansas.com...=cpy

Source

Greed... pure and simple. Everything is never enough with these guys. Scum of the earth... there is a special place in hell for people like the Koch brothers....

My head almost exploded reading your post.

So which is the aim of the Koch Bros? To make more money or to stop Obama and NOT make money?

Wth?

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Look into Soros and the people he "Donates" to. And his business ties while your at it.

He's no better. Just a different agenda.

How is he circumventing democracy like the Koch brothers? Again, I'm not talking about donating money, I'm talking about telling people if they vote one way they will LOSE THEIR JOB. That's a MASSIVE difference.

I'm not even approaching this from a stance of agreeing or disagreeing with the Koch brothers' views...merely from a "it completely destroys democracy" point of view.

Soros ISN'T telling people they'll lose their job if they act on their right to vote, and he he sure isn't trying to disenfranchising entire population groups like they are.

No, Soros is far more nefarious and insidious. Instead of openly proclaiming his intentions, Soros funds media outlets and political or quasi-political groups to influence politicians & voters.

Oh the irony is strong in this one

What do you think the Kochs and people like Rove are doing?

The problem is, they take it a step further by disenfranchising entire groups of people for example.

Originally posted by Red Cloak
The Koch brothers are criminals. They are also Zionist Bolsheviks that want to install a Zionist order in the USA. They are the exact definition of the slime of humanity.

LOL You mean you don't know that a Zionist order was installed in the USA DECADES ago?

lies and half truths...
that's all we are given...
want the truth???
bet ya you can't bear the truth....
vote for obama, lose your good paying job...
vote for romney, lose your good paying job....
the economy is dead!!! being kept on life support for the last four years!!!
sooner or later they will have to pull the plug.
and you will lose your job!!!

the only question you must answer if weather you want to be screwed left or right???
how sure are you that you can reach the top of the food chain, and be one of the elites,
or how fast do you believe you are gonna hit bottom....
if the first is true, well, you might want to be screwed right.....in hopes that the elites will see favor in you and welcome you into their club,
if not, well, you m ight want to be screwed left...

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I'm ok with being schooled from time to time. It makes me...no, forces me to grow.

To me, this is a PSYOP campaign, nothing more. As a conservative, I see the point that they are making.

As a liberal, it sticks in my craw that they have resorted to such tactics.

But in the end...it will still be up to the individual and their belief system.

I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there who think like me. They vote across the board.

Its a new thing for me to be straight line dem.
I was almost always a mixed bag. During the Clinton Administration, I was very much considered independent, middle of the road..except socially, where I am like..so far left code pink calls me stalin sort of stuff (mostly on the liberty stuff...get out of my bedroom, my religion, my injestion, my television choices, etc).

Then everything went hard right..now a independent of yesterday is considered a liberal today. Ronald Reagan today would be more left than Obama, its soo odd, but I am almost completely a straight line dem.

I think this is because of a shrinking world. When your local rep is going with party line thinking verses your districts decisionmaking, then you have an issue. I don't want to hear about my mayor being in line with Obama and Nancy Pelosi from the competition...that is meaningless to me. I want to know if he is going to get some damn stop lights up on intersection corners or not, or if he will issue a extra mosquito spraying round due to heavy rain season. Its all gone nuts.

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Some of us who would prefer to have liberty, freedom, and the rights guaranteed to us by the US Constitution over a job. For which candidate should we vote?

Liberty: Vote for a liberal
Freedom: Vote for a Libertarian
Rights: SOL at the moment

I would say if you want to make a statement, vote Gary Johnson if you don't mind tossing your vote...else meh, Lincoln isn't running, so make a decision based on general principles matching ideology.
Do you want a politician to envoke god more often or less often when they are screwing you over?

Originally posted by PaxVeritas

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
So... Koch Industries claims that Obama's policies are hindering buisness.... but....

In 2011, the company had its best year ever with revenue of $110 billion. It’s on track to exceed that this year.

Read more here: www.kansas.com...=cpy

Source

Greed... pure and simple. Everything is never enough with these guys. Scum of the earth... there is a special place in hell for people like the Koch brothers....

My head almost exploded reading your post.

So which is the aim of the Koch Bros? To make more money or to stop Obama and NOT make money?

Wth?

Simple..... Their goal is to gain power and control....

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by PaxVeritas

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
So... Koch Industries claims that Obama's policies are hindering buisness.... but....

In 2011, the company had its best year ever with revenue of $110 billion. It’s on track to exceed that this year.

Read more here: www.kansas.com...=cpy

Source

Greed... pure and simple. Everything is never enough with these guys. Scum of the earth... there is a special place in hell for people like the Koch brothers....

My head almost exploded reading your post.

So which is the aim of the Koch Bros? To make more money or to stop Obama and NOT make money?

Wth?

Simple..... Their goal is to gain power and control....

And that is different than people like Obama how?

Originally posted by AuranVector

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by jimmyx

 

If I had my way, I'd ban anyone with a law degree from running for office.

THAT would level the playing field in my opinion.

So you would have people writing laws who had never studied law.

Somehow I have a feeling this would not work out well for either the government or the people.

edit on 16-10-2012 by AuranVector because: (no reason given)

It's my belief that the laws have been written to complicated to immediately understand them.

I wouldn't ban lawyers from government, just running for office.

The 2700 page healthcare law comes to mind as does the lien I sign when I buy a car.

A font of 5 and all sorts of legalise that I have forgotten by the time I reach page 3. What can I say, I'm human and find such documents annoying.

The law should be black and white, but we have these lawyers in political office who are making them grey...usually to their own advancement.

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by PaxVeritas

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
So... Koch Industries claims that Obama's policies are hindering buisness.... but....

In 2011, the company had its best year ever with revenue of $110 billion. It’s on track to exceed that this year.

Read more here: www.kansas.com...=cpy

Source

Greed... pure and simple. Everything is never enough with these guys. Scum of the earth... there is a special place in hell for people like the Koch brothers....

My head almost exploded reading your post.

So which is the aim of the Koch Bros? To make more money or to stop Obama and NOT make money?

Wth?

Simple..... Their goal is to gain power and control....

And that is different than people like Obama how?

...there is a difference between leading and controlling.

The difference is that Obama was elected and will recind power if he's not re-elected. The Koch brothers use their money and influence to buy power and politicians. Clear enough for you?

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by PaxVeritas

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
So... Koch Industries claims that Obama's policies are hindering buisness.... but....

In 2011, the company had its best year ever with revenue of $110 billion. It’s on track to exceed that this year.

Read more here: www.kansas.com...=cpy

Source

Greed... pure and simple. Everything is never enough with these guys. Scum of the earth... there is a special place in hell for people like the Koch brothers....

My head almost exploded reading your post.

So which is the aim of the Koch Bros? To make more money or to stop Obama and NOT make money?

Wth?

Simple..... Their goal is to gain power and control....

And that is different than people like Obama how?

...there is a difference between leading and controlling.

The difference is that Obama was elected and will recind power if he's not re-elected. The Koch brothers use their money and influence to buy power and politicians. Clear enough for you?

edit on 16-10-2012 by Blarneystoner because: (no reason given)

If you think that being out of the Oval Office means a president no longer has power, you are living in a dream world. The only difference between the power sought by the Koch brothers and the power sought by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power.

Same results desired, different tactics.

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by PaxVeritas

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
So... Koch Industries claims that Obama's policies are hindering buisness.... but....

In 2011, the company had its best year ever with revenue of $110 billion. It’s on track to exceed that this year.

Read more here: www.kansas.com...=cpy

Source

Greed... pure and simple. Everything is never enough with these guys. Scum of the earth... there is a special place in hell for people like the Koch brothers....

My head almost exploded reading your post.

So which is the aim of the Koch Bros? To make more money or to stop Obama and NOT make money?

Wth?

Simple..... Their goal is to gain power and control....

And that is different than people like Obama how?

...there is a difference between leading and controlling.

The difference is that Obama was elected and will recind power if he's not re-elected. The Koch brothers use their money and influence to buy power and politicians. Clear enough for you?

edit on 16-10-2012 by Blarneystoner because: (no reason given)

If you think that being out of the Oval Office means a president no longer has power, you are living in a dream world. The only difference between the power sought by the Koch brothers and the power sought by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power.

Same results desired, different tactics.

Then I must be dreaming.... Or maybe you're confused about the difference between power and influence. Pretty sure I'm not dreaming so....

Your statement would be more accurate if you changed a few words.... "The only difference between the power bought by the Koch brothers and the power legally obtained by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power."

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
Then I must be dreaming.... Or maybe you're confused about the difference between power and influence. Pretty sure I'm not dreaming so....

Your statement would be more accurate if you changed a few words.... "The only difference between the power bought by the Koch brothers and the power legally obtained by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power."

So, show me the crimes committed by the Koch brothers. You say that Obama legally obtained his power, thus setting up that the inverse is true of the Koch brothers. So, show me.

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
Then I must be dreaming.... Or maybe you're confused about the difference between power and influence. Pretty sure I'm not dreaming so....

Your statement would be more accurate if you changed a few words.... "The only difference between the power bought by the Koch brothers and the power legally obtained by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power."

So, show me the crimes committed by the Koch brothers. You say that Obama legally obtained his power, thus setting up that the inverse is true of the Koch brothers. So, show me.

You know something.... you're about as irritating as bad case of jock itch. The Koch brothers basically funded the entire Tea Party movement and now their little bug eyed puppet is on the GOP ticket spewing a load of crap about lowering taxes across the board by 20% for everyone. That lying dirt bag clown is in their back pocket, boutght and paid for. Might not be illegal but is certainly unethical....

I get the feeling you don't pay much attention to anything that might upset your dellusional beliefs but just for fun....

Illegal campaign contributions...
Koch Industries Subsidiary Cited for Illegal Donations

Can you say "treason?" Sure... I knew you could... .
Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales

More illegal donations... tsk... tsk...
Foreign Company Admits Illegal Cash Donations to U.S. State Campaigns

I could go on but my search engine tells me there are 527,000 results for the search: "Koch Industries illegal"

Have a lovely day....

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by Koros

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
Then I must be dreaming.... Or maybe you're confused about the difference between power and influence. Pretty sure I'm not dreaming so....

Your statement would be more accurate if you changed a few words.... "The only difference between the power bought by the Koch brothers and the power legally obtained by Obama is the means they choose to utilize to get said power."

So, show me the crimes committed by the Koch brothers. You say that Obama legally obtained his power, thus setting up that the inverse is true of the Koch brothers. So, show me.

You know something.... you're about as irritating as bad case of jock itch. The Koch brothers basically funded the entire Tea Party movement and now their little bug eyed puppet is on the GOP ticket spewing a load of crap about lowering taxes across the board by 20% for everyone. That lying dirt bag clown is in their back pocket, boutght and paid for. Might not be illegal but is certainly unethical....

I get the feeling you don't pay much attention to anything that might upset your dellusional beliefs but just for fun....

Illegal campaign contributions...
Koch Industries Subsidiary Cited for Illegal Donations

Can you say "treason?" Sure... I knew you could... .
Koch Brothers Flout Law Getting Richer With Secret Iran Sales

More illegal donations... tsk... tsk...
Foreign Company Admits Illegal Cash Donations to U.S. State Campaigns

I could go on but my search engine tells me there are 527,000 results for the search: "Koch Industries illegal"

Have a lovely day....

There, that wasn't so hard, now was it?

Oh, and lovely ad hom there. I always love people who seem to take a moral high ground in a debate (i.e. your point about ethics), and then engage in schoolyard name calling. Keep up the good work there!

So, were subsidiaries and agents working underneath the Koch brothers company involved in illegal activities? Hmmm, sure seems that way. Do I see proof that the Koch brothers, personally, are involved? No. But, then again, that is splitting hairs. By virtue of leading the company they are ultimately responsible for the actions taken by their agents. On that, we agree completely.

But, then, that really doesn't change much does it? Legal or illegal, ethical or unethical, it doesn't matter. Both the Koch brothers and Obama (as well as Romney, Biden, Paul, Pelosi, etc) are all attempting to grab power anyway they can get it. It just seems some are willing to violate the law to do it. That doesn't change much, in my opinion. All politicians and all corporations want to increase their power base. This isn't new, nor is it news. That is what I am attempting to show you. The tactics may be different but the ultimate goal is the same: Power.

HAHA what they are laying off chinese workers why should we care? It's not like they employ anybody here, unless of course it is the ones at the top so...oh well too bad couldn't feel less sorry for the managers/accountants/or whatever they do employ here. I am sure they have enough money to live off of come that time anyway.