Koch Brothers threatening layoffs if Obama Re-Elected

Originally posted by Hawking
I wasn't going to vote but I'm so sick of hearing republican CEOs saying "if Obama wins I'm firing everyone" that I will vote for him now

Great. Now you can hear "You're fired!"

Originally posted by MaMaa
Why should the employers have to pay for health care? Why not just work on fixing the actual system so that people can afford it on their own with the money they earn.

Hey, hey, HEY!

None of that clear thinking allowed here. This site is all about the blame game so they can attach themselves to some winning side and feel like a winner again just like that one dodge-ball in the 3rd grade.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by TDawgRex
And Soros has boasted about bringing down other countries economies. You think that doesn't affect jobs?

edit on 15-10-2012 by TDawgRex because: (no reason given)

He toppled communist nations and helped install republics.
Yes, it effects jobs...as in, people suddenly have em.

Now, its common to check Koch with Soros. So..lets compare:

Kock bros reign over the largest private oil company in the U.S. with estimated revenues of $100 billion. They wield power over a sprawling network of nonprofit front groups with unbridled influence over everything from the Tea Party to economics professors at publicly funded universities. Forbes lists their personal wealth as $25 billion each.

Hungarian-American financier, businessman and notable philanthropist , George Soros, has a net worth of $20 billion as of March 2012, according to Forbes 400. The renowned hedge fund investor George Soros may be best known these days for his philanthropy and support of progressive causes. He has given away more than $8 billion since 1979 to human rights, public health and education groups. In 2010 he pledged $100 million to Human Rights Watch, in part to counteract America’s loss of the “moral high ground.” He’s also given away $150 million to Roma Rights (Gypsies). Manages $28 billion (assets) Quantum Fund, which was up 2.6% in 2010.

So, there you have ot
Koch bros can bankroll Soros several times.
And Soros is global in his agenda, whereas Koch is focused on strangleholding the US specifically.
Koch donates vast sums to various global organizations. Koch has sued someone for 16 dollars

This is not apples to oranges, this is apples to staples. Not even in the same ballpark.

You might want to take off the K jersey and put the pom poms down...unless your all good with pretending a serial killer is the same as someone whom steps on an ant.

I'd love to know where those "facts" came from.
If they came from where I believe they did, you left out a few sentences, no?

Like this:

He is known as "The Man Who Broke the Bank of England" because of his US$1 billion in investment profits during the 1992 Black Wednesday UK currency crisis.

That's from the WIKI quote, right?

The Koch Bros description?
Sounds like Kochwatch.org to me, at least they don't have any slant to them.
Who is Kochwatch.org?

Robert Greenwald, right?

Bad form, dude.
Bad form.

Some of us who would prefer to have liberty, freedom, and the rights guaranteed to us by the US Constitution over a job. For which candidate should we vote?

Ya, because the millions upon millions of dollars they pay out to themselves and executives could not be put to better use. Instead of giving one person over a million dollar BONUS, not to mention the money they make aside from that, think of what good it could do if it were spread around to the lower leveled employees of the company. That is what kills me about big business owners like this, and this is why I say that you cannot get into that position without screwing people over.

As if the business they do doesn't screw people over enough, they will pay the employees that actually get stuff done as little as they possibly can to fill the position, which at this point is likely much less than in other times, because people are more desperate now than they have been in a long time.

Originally posted by Helmkat
Translation:

I am making tons and tons of money.

I want to continue to make tons and tons of money.

If I don't continue to make tons and tons of money I will find a way to do so at your expence.

Your choice though, I would never tell you what to do.

That's the way capitalism works. Corporations are also bound to take care of their shareholders. We shouldn't keep asking for capitalism and then complain when we get it.

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Some of us who would prefer to have liberty, freedom, and the rights guaranteed to us by the US Constitution over a job. For which candidate should we vote?

If that's your standard you can't vote at all really. The GOP made it clear they spit on the constitution and Obama introduced indefinite detentions...so in terms of freedom they're both bad.

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Some of us who would prefer to have liberty, freedom, and the rights guaranteed to us by the US Constitution over a job. For which candidate should we vote?

If that's your standard you can't vote at all really. The GOP made it clear they spit on the constitution and Obama introduced indefinite detentions...so in terms of freedom they're both bad.

Tell me about it. I can't even vote for all the other stuff on the ballot without picking Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb for POTUS.

the republican boycott

like they werent doing it already

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Some of us who would prefer to have liberty, freedom, and the rights guaranteed to us by the US Constitution over a job. For which candidate should we vote?

If that's your standard you can't vote at all really. The GOP made it clear they spit on the constitution and Obama introduced indefinite detentions...so in terms of freedom they're both bad.

Tell me about it. I can't even vote for all the other stuff on the ballot without picking Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dumb for POTUS.

And nothing will ever change unless money's removed in politics. Until that happens you will only get the the same crap with different branding.

Having said that, I still believe Obama's the lesser evil if your alternative is Romney. Why?

Because:

- Romney managed to turn Massachusetts from a jobs leader to no47 in terms of jobs growth.
- Romney destroyed 14% of manufacturing jobs while he was in office.
- Romney increased spending more while he was in office than ANYONE ELSE.
- He flip flops every other day. That tells me his opinion is up for grabs for whoever pays them most.
- He proposes the SAME GOP "solutions" that got us into this mess in the first place.
- Won't tell us how he's going to pay for 20% taxes, apart from making a laughable attempt at cutting PBS's amazing 0.012% budget. That's a JOKE!!
- Romney is already in Iran with 1 foot...his defence industry and oil speculator friends want to get paid. I am AGAINST another pointless war that's based on fear mongering!
- Most of the stuff that annoys me about Obama would have been done by the GOP in a heartbeat. Indefinite detentions? Do you really think the "patriot act" party would be against indefinite detentions? They'd do the same, just worse

In short, I think Romney proved that he can't create jobs and that all he's going to accomplish trying to is increase debt by more than anyone else...at least if you look at his Massachusetts track record. He is also more likely to get us into another pointless war.

For those reasons alone I think Obama's the lesser evil. Add to that his belief in magic underwear and his anger at airline companies not allowing you to open windows on airplanes and it's pretty clear why I consider him a clown.

Originally posted by IrVulture
A new phase to the corporate takeover of America....

Koch Industries, other CEOs warn employees of layoffs if Obama is reelected

Newsflash: the US is already a Fascist country. Fascist = Corporate Socialist.

The mega corporations already control the US.

Obama wants to drive the US further Left using the West European model;
and to make the US subordinate to the UN.

Obama is a NWO/ One World Federation/ Communitarian* shill.

The Koch Brothers are Libertarians who love the US and want to maintain US hegemony.

Libertarian = fiscally Conservative minimal government + social Liberalism.

The US is surrounded by enemies who would love to destroy us and plunder our assets.

When the US collapses as a world power, who will replace the US?

Red China? A new Ayatollah? Who will your children & grandchildren be slaves to?

*Communitarianism is the name of the "new" politics of the New World Order given by Bilderbergers.

Originally posted by links234
Capitalist utopia; grovel at the feet of those wealthier than you because they alone give you life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness! You should be thankful for their kindness in giving you employment! You should thank their God every day for the meager pay you're allowed by your employer! Don't have enough money to feed your family? Hero worship your CEO that he even bothers to employ you!

Billionaire CEO David Siegel:

The economy doesn’t currently pose a threat to your job. What does threaten your job however, is another 4 years of the same Presidential administration.

Arthur Allen, the founder, president, and CEO of ASG Software Solutions:

If we fail as a nation to make the right choice on November 6th, and we lose our independence as a company, I don’t want to hear any complaints regarding the fallout that will most likely come.

And what successful businessmen are saying to the American public is that if Obama is re-elected,
expect a massive downturn in the US economy.

I dare you to tell me there's freedom in this country when your whole livelihood is threatened, not by a dictatotorial government, but by the whims of an employer.

What country guarantees employment for all of its citizens? Where is employment guaranteed in the US Constitution?

Want to live in a Nanny State? Try Cuba or Venezuela. They will also tell you which job you can have and what you will be paid. Be happy repairing roads for rice & beans.

Originally posted by muse7
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They know Obama will not let workers be abused and taken advantage of, so that's why they are using bully tactics to get more people to vote for Romney.

And you really believe this? "That Obama will not let workers be abused and taken advantage of" ???

You've got to be kidding.

This is why I have so little hope for the future of the US. There are countless people of this ilk who continue to drink the Kool-aid put out by the mainstream media & the Obama camp.

Tragic.

Originally posted by khimbar
I think it's hilarious many people really believe the different heads they can vote for aren't attached to the same snake.

Hilarious.

The mistake you're making is a common one. You think the "Ruling Elite of the World" is a monolith.
It's not. There are competing factions within the Elite.

Obama is a NWO shill who wants to make the US more Socialist and subservient to the UN.

The Koch Brothers are Libertarians who believe in keeping some Capitalism alive in the US (Capitalism is what made the US rich) and keeping US hegemony alive as a DEFENSE against our enemies who would gladly destroy the US.

Tragically for the US, there are too few Americans who understand what is really at stake in this election.

The Koch Brothers tried to put it in the simplest terms so their employees might understand in concrete terms.
But those who chose to use the letter as a weapon against the Koch Brothers are too dim to get it.

So I take it from this thread the Koch brothers are the all American heroes. It doesn't surprise me. Just interesting to see what's important to some people and how easy they can be manipulated.

Originally posted by RichardA
I see no threats within the Koch Bros. release. I see a business trying to warn their employees of the direct result of the continuation of the current governmental policies. Why else would the government tell Defense Contractors that they did not need to abide by the WARN Act requirements? To the point of even promising to take care of their legal representation for ignoring the law? Maybe because they know exactly what is going to happen?

I try to see the arguments on both sides of the issue before I decide which side I agree with. Having had 4 years of the current administration, I'm wanting to change directions. I would rather have a job and be able to enjoy the fruits of my labor, than be unemployed and living on the streets. Been there done that.

I especially LOVE the statements of "Enjoy your corporate enslavement". I am being compensated for my time and labor. I am not being forced to work for a company for nothing. I am not shackled to a desk and whipped for whatever reason happens to cross the overseer's mind. When I work for a company I have AGREED that the compensation I receive is a fair trade for my labor. If I no longer think that compensation is fair, I move on, or I can improve myself to gain more compensation. Can I be fired? Yup, although if my termination is wrongful, I have legal remedies available.

It seems that some people have a hard time understanding exactly where the money that pays for their social programs comes from. It doesn't come from 'Crackhead' Carl, it comes from the wealthy, it comes from the corporations that actually pay taxes. Where are you going to get your food or clothing if the corporations have no money for investment and expansion? Where are your social programs going to be when the corporations and small business' go belly up due to exorbitant taxes and strangling regulations? I know where we are all going to be. Homeless, living under a bridge or in a tent, struggling to find food to feed our families. THAT is not a vague threat, that is the reality of the financial system. For all of you who decry the 'corporate greed' just remember, without them, you and you alone will have to find a way to provide these things for yourselves. How many now how to hunt, make clothes from animal skins, make your own thread and cloth, grow your own food? Want to find out what its like? Take a month, since you don't want to be a 'corporate slave' quitting your job should be easy, load up a go bag and hit the woods. No using social programs, learn to survive without these things. Most will be back, begging for their jobs within a week or two with a whole new appreciation for the opportunity to be able to spend time with their family and having a little extra money to spend on smokes or booze.

As far as those who threaten riots and violence, I would suggest not bringing that kind of crap to my neighborhood. I have the means and the will to protect me and mine.

A little less fantasy and the use of a rational thought process would help quite a few people in this world. Quite honestly, you are not 'entitled' to a F'ing thing. If you don't like the way your life is going, take some freaking personal responsibilty and improve yourself. Quit trying to pick someone else's pocket to avoid effort on your part. Harsh words, I'll admit, but someone needs to tell the kids to grow the h*ll up.

peace

Excellent post, RichardA. I'd give you several stars if I could.

It amazes me that there are so many people who seem to be incapable of understanding this basic economic concept:

You cannot rob Peter to pay Paul -- indefinitely. Very quickly Peter no longer has anything left to rob. Then everyone is equally poor.

I read that numerous rich people left the US shortly after Obama was elected. They saw the handwriting on the wall. So the very people who could have hired people and could have invested in new businesses with their capital have left the US.

The right to own private property is a basic human right. It's the foundation of all other human rights.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by jimmyx

 

If I had my way, I'd ban anyone with a law degree from running for office.

THAT would level the playing field in my opinion.

So you would have people writing laws who had never studied law.

Somehow I have a feeling this would not work out well for either the government or the people.

This is BS. Just a publicity stunt.

Originally posted by sdcigarpig
Why are people surprised at this fact? The CEO’s and business owners have been stating this for the past 4 years, since Obama has come into office that his domestic policies are going to affect the way that they do business.

When Obamacare was first passed, 10 of the biggest companies all announced losses in the billions, that caused congress to start to hold congressional hearings on the subject and subpoena the 10 CEO’s and have then bring in their records to explain themselves.

When the congressmen who started the hearings and issued the subpoena’s was informed of the laws, they hushed it up and it went away, but no one actually thought that this was the end of it, or rather they hoped it was the end of it.

The reality is that the policies of Obama is not good for business, it may be good for people but not for businesses at all. And they are informing their employees that as the CEO’s of these companies, they also have choices. If they choose not to be in business, they can choose to close it down and thus let everyone who works for them go. And some of the reasons are valid, partially as they can not afford the cost of doing business any more, in the US with the different taxes that they have to pay.

A CEO actually stated what all he has to pay just to keep his company going, and he has had enough of it. Just cause a business person is in a position where they can do something, as long as it is legal, does not restrict them from doing any action. And if they choose to shut down and close the doors to their business, and withdraw from the public sector, then so be it. Who ultimately does it hurt, them or the general public, and what would be the fall out from this?

Business is not there to be charitable, it is there to make money, it is what drives most of the CEO’s in all sectors to continue to do what they can to increase their holdings and stakes, to continue to try to figure out new ways to do well. And if the business is a publicly traded company, they can not just shut down, as the stock holders would have a say in such. This is just a matter of expressing an opinion. While the timing is bad, it is still permissible in the US, and that they have the right to state such.

Would you have them just fire everybody and close the doors and not say anything, at least they are giving their employees fair warning now, to prepare for what may happen.

Good post, Sdcigarpig. I believe Obamacare will turn out to be a nightmare for almost everyone, but especially the patient.

Some believe Obamacare is not really about Healthcare at all, but merely a cover for a massive expansion of Federal power.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
The Koch brothers are the nail on the coffin of democracy

If their opinion agrees with your vote, you should seriously reconsider your vote...

That's interesting, considering the Koch Brothers are Libertarians.