Damn op. obviously your an intelligent indivdual, so you should realise it doesnt matter who is in office as it is all the damn same! Dont be suckered into the 'two' party crap, you guys need a complete government overhaul, the president and all affiliated people should be on minimum wage almost, so at least they are in it for the job not the damn money..

Wow. This has to be the most mainstream garbage I've read. Voting? Are you #ing serious? Maybe you should do some more research on the TRUE nature of america but at at the end of the day IT DOESN'T #ING MATTER AND YOU ARE BUYING INTO THE MEDIA GARBAGE BY THINKING THAT.

when mitch mcconnell republican leader of the senate said in his own words and in public...paraphrasing "our number 1 job is to make sure barack obama is a 1 term president"....the entire republican agenda was shown to be about not giving a damn about the american people, and doing everything they could to make obama look bad...that, along with the unmatched amount of filibusters confirmed that to be true.

This Just In: Yes, they're both lying "puppets." And No, I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.

Romney and Obama work for the same ruling Oligarchy. Those who really own and rule America are a whole host of super wealthy, multi-generational, interconnected/ intermarried elitists and their big business interests. Romney and Obama are Oligarch tested and oligarch approved... or else we wouldn't even be seeing them on all of the media outlets our aforementioned overlords control. They're merely window dressing, a different mask on the same face. So, I don't know why we all keep bantering about one or the other when they're both controlled and will do as their handlers and financiers tell them.

Sadly, I don't even know if a third party candidate would matter at this point. If they did somehow get into office with good intentions, who knows how long they'd last? If they'd give in and be co-opted, or if shadowy forces would roll out the time-tested lone nut script one more time.

All that said, I'm still going to participate in the "Illusion of Choice," as Carlin and Hicks so often and eloquently pointed out. If anything, I think we need to vote 3rd party to show we're no longer buying into the two party sham, which is really one party...the Business Party. Unless of course we like the sham and it appears that we do, ugh.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
In a bad economy you want economic people. That's Mittens..and that's as simple as she comes.

edit on 11-10-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Mittens is not "economic people". He's a business man who has spent his life making a profit through the slashing and selling of other businesses.

Economics and making a profit are two entirely different things. That's my point.

By your logic, we should be electing bankers. Are they not more of your "economic people" than Mittens is? He simply makes a profit from buying, cutting up, and then selling businesses. Surely a banker is more economically minded than he is?

No? Thought not.

If you elect Romney based on the fact that he successfully made a profit (which anyone is capable of doing given the right tools, it's not rocket science, we all do it) you will be handing your nation and its budget and economy over to a man who knows how to make a quick profit. You are not electing an economist, you are electing a capitalist.

Originally posted by openminded2011
Ok, i'll bite.


Bush gave us two fraudulent wars, the worst national security failure in US history, economic deregulation which almost put us into a second great depression, the removal of most of our civil liberties, and STOLE two elections with electronic voting. He left the country in ruins, and I dont care WHO you elected after him, NO ONE could have gotten us out of the mess he created in 4 years. Add to that, almost unanimous hostility from every republican in office in the four years Obama has been president and the attempt by that group to throw under the bus or obstruct ANY EFFORT by Obama to improve the situation to make sure he is a "One term president" As the main job of the president is to provide for the common good,this borders on treason against the American people. Now that very same party wants to take the reins of power again. The problem for the GOP is, like me, most people HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THAT REPUBLICANS CREATED THE MESS WE ARE IN. And I am sure they will vote accordingly. I have no great love for Obama, but he looks like an angel with a halo next to the far right brownshirts running for the GOP.

edit on 11-10-2012 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)

Again, explain this to me PLEASE! Please back this up with facts and not just want you read on the internetz.

Fact-Bush went in front of a DEMOCRATIC led Congress in 2001 and again in 2004 to help regulate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Bernie Frank not only made a HUGE push to discredit what Bush wanted to do but Bernie's "life partner" was hired for a position with Fannie Mae...hmmm seems like some back door stuff, no pun intended. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about our financial disaster KNOWS the housing collapse was the reason behind it all. If Obama doesn't have the power, then how did Bush? How come you liberal turds keep looking back 4 yeas ago when your all knowing President now said he would have this thing fixed up already. Multiple times in multiple debates and town square talks did he say this. MSNBC has video when Bush took the floor to regulate this before it got out of control....but just like Biden did lastnight, Bernie just laughed things off and made it a non-factor.

Lets talk about Obama not putting these criminals in jail? How about that?

Op, thanks for this post. Thanks for helping to destroy america. Voting for the lesser evil has destroyed my country. It is #ing obvious that we shouldnt vote for evil. Infact, you are committing treason by doing so.

Thanks.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
In a bad economy you want economic people. That's Mittens..and that's as simple as she comes.

edit on 11-10-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Mittens is not "economic people". He's a business man who has spent his life making a profit through the slashing and selling of other businesses.

Economics and making a profit are two entirely different things. That's my point.

Ummm.... Okay.... My research on Bain Capital and it's success/failure rate on rehabilitating companies to profitable status is radically at odds with what you're saying here. They lost a small % of the overall companies they took on to re-hab. 17 out of 77 in one period I looked at. Some of the BIGGEST names in retail that you eat from, buy from and enjoy services from today had contact at some point with the money wizards at Bain.

So.... If you'd like to redefine what a Capital Investment and Venture Capital firm actually DOES for a living...I suppose we each have our perogative for such things...but I'd prefer to stick with what they actually DID. They DID a hell of a lot to save a great many companies, as is/was their business model and purpose in life.

They also LOST money on a few companies.....among them are those that failed. Bain didn't make some fortune by liquidating client companies. I don't know where that silly thought started....but no one MAKES money by insuring others THEY OWN lose it. The logic there goes tilt on the face of it...and literal financial statements out of Bain show it never had basis in reality for them.

By your logic, we should be electing bankers. Are they not more of your "economic people" than Mittens is? He simply makes a profit from buying, cutting up, and then selling businesses. Surely a banker is more economically minded than he is?

(snaps fingers) Hey! Now you're starting to see my point! Yes.. electing BANKERS is not a bad idea when our nation is on the verge of total fiscal collapse and ruin. You don't hire a community organizer to run a bank and you don't hire a banker to run a community program. Both will screw it up beyond all hope. As HAS happened.

Obama's socialist agenda would have been perfect and timely in the 1970s...and may again be good at some point. Right now, this nation doesn't have the resources to pay it's own bills. We have NO MONEY left for social experiments and wild attempts at the dreams born from 1960's unrest. NOT now. NOT when we're damn near falling to total destruction from within on economics.

If you elect Romney based on the fact that he successfully made a profit (which anyone is capable of doing given the right tools, it's not rocket science, we all do it) you will be handing your nation and its budget and economy over to a man who knows how to make a quick profit. You are not electing an economist, you are electing a capitalist.

I absolutely love how when making a profit is a good thing, ANYONE can do it...and it's supposedly a simple thing to accomplish. Well...If that were true, then the failure rate for new business wouldn't be pushing the vast majority by any measure within the first few years. Almost NO ONE who attempts what Romney did in life, makes it. If that were different, money would have radically different meaning in society as everyone would have plenty of it.

As it happens.. SKILL and TALENT are required to make business work and work well. The fact anyone can suggest that isn't a key part anymore shows how effective the dumb down propaganda has worked to convince everyone that excellence is a suckers bet and being ABOVE average is being arrogant and should be looked down upon.

It's a scary scary place where we're at when a man TED KENNEDY HIMSELF called a friend....is now made out to look like ultimate evil itself and the WORST the right has ever produced in the history of politics.

The overblown B.S. propaganda is too damn much. Romney IS NOT EVIL and Obama is NOT the Anti-Christ. They're both dumb ass politicians and they're both corrupt;. WHICH VERSION of corruption do we want?


I want the kind best suited to make economics WORK in a nation where it's our #1 largest problem. You want a social guru. You vote your way and I'll vote mine.

May the best man win next month.......and hopefully Obama doesn't do too bad either.

"pray for a new direction " If you want to pray go to the church. Romney is a same, or much worst than Obama. The only different is he is rich, so he is the one who really don't care about you or me, and your pray. Secondly , "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." So don't pray for politics ))

Originally posted by AllInMyHead
Sorry, and I say this as respectfully as I can, but I think your wacked. I am no huge fan of either Obama or Romney but there is NO way NO how that I can see how a reasonable person could vote for Romney. He lies...CONSTANTLY, changes positions at the drop of a hat and doesn't seem to have a position on ANYTHING other than trying to be the opposite of Obama...which really isn't working all that well for him. So sorry, and I know that there are gonna be dozens but disagree with me, but I am gonna stick with Barack this time around.

You are 100% right and I don't want Obama or Romney either but I look at it this way better to stick with the devil you know then one where we really have no clue what will happen! Though all politicians lie, I've never seen a presidential candidate flip flop so much in my 44 years then watching Romney! I don't know if i will even vote because I believe that the truely important issues are out of our hands and the hands of even POTUS! I believe that Romney will win this election and we will all get what we deserve! More taxes, less freedom, more war, less jobs and more pollution! Goodluck ATS cause we will need it!