Why We Need to Vote Romney! We Need Obama Out!!

reply to post by Athin


I understand where you are coming from but after Bush, I just cannot vote Republican. He ruined my faith in this Government and the Republican party. I know it's not popular to say this but Bush DID do a lot of damage to our country and I honestly believe that whether Obama or McCain got in, it would take far more than 4 years to reverse the damage. I fear that the republicans would just pick up where Bush's agenda left off. I don't care for Obama either but what is the worse of the two evils?! I'm choosing to not vote this election...I refuse to contribute to poor choices made by our leaders by voting them in. I thank God that I did not vote for Bush in either of his won elections. If I had, I think I would feel bad knowing that I helped a war happen that killed many people and helped those scum wall street crooks rip people off.

Originally posted by votan
reply to post by flyswatter

 

so continuing to vote for the same two parties with the same kind of agenda is the way to go??? We are going to continue to do the same thing over and over again expecting a different result??

wow simply wow

Why must you try and put words in my mouth? I made no mention of who anyone SHOULD vote for. I simply made comments about who I would NOT be voting for, and why I feel that way.

reply to post by Svipdagr


please take me to mars with you lol I want out of here too.

Damn op. obviously your an intelligent indivdual, so you should realise it doesnt matter who is in office as it is all the damn same! Dont be suckered into the 'two' party crap, you guys need a complete government overhaul, the president and all affiliated people should be on minimum wage almost, so at least they are in it for the job not the damn money..

reply to post by NorEaster


NorEaster you have beat me to it. You "clarification" of those points is spot ON. "Small gov." that was the bugle of the Republicans is just empty words. Their team wants to spend our money just as much as the Democrats on drawn out wars with Turbans and Drugs. The current Turban War is a Joke on Us , the tax payer . Rommney doesn't pay taxes

I do not see much hope in Dem or Rep candidates for president, but in this case perhaps Obama's "team" may be the less dangerous. MAYBE

Wow. This has to be the most mainstream garbage I've read. Voting? Are you #ing serious? Maybe you should do some more research on the TRUE nature of america but at at the end of the day IT DOESN'T #ING MATTER AND YOU ARE BUYING INTO THE MEDIA GARBAGE BY THINKING THAT.

when mitch mcconnell republican leader of the senate said in his own words and in public...paraphrasing "our number 1 job is to make sure barack obama is a 1 term president"....the entire republican agenda was shown to be about not giving a damn about the american people, and doing everything they could to make obama look bad...that, along with the unmatched amount of filibusters confirmed that to be true.

This Just In: Yes, they're both lying "puppets." And No, I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils.

Romney and Obama work for the same ruling Oligarchy. Those who really own and rule America are a whole host of super wealthy, multi-generational, interconnected/ intermarried elitists and their big business interests. Romney and Obama are Oligarch tested and oligarch approved... or else we wouldn't even be seeing them on all of the media outlets our aforementioned overlords control. They're merely window dressing, a different mask on the same face. So, I don't know why we all keep bantering about one or the other when they're both controlled and will do as their handlers and financiers tell them.

Sadly, I don't even know if a third party candidate would matter at this point. If they did somehow get into office with good intentions, who knows how long they'd last? If they'd give in and be co-opted, or if shadowy forces would roll out the time-tested lone nut script one more time.

All that said, I'm still going to participate in the "Illusion of Choice," as Carlin and Hicks so often and eloquently pointed out. If anything, I think we need to vote 3rd party to show we're no longer buying into the two party sham, which is really one party...the Business Party. Unless of course we like the sham and it appears that we do, ugh.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
In a bad economy you want economic people. That's Mittens..and that's as simple as she comes.

edit on 11-10-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Mittens is not "economic people". He's a business man who has spent his life making a profit through the slashing and selling of other businesses.

Economics and making a profit are two entirely different things. That's my point.

By your logic, we should be electing bankers. Are they not more of your "economic people" than Mittens is? He simply makes a profit from buying, cutting up, and then selling businesses. Surely a banker is more economically minded than he is?

No? Thought not.

If you elect Romney based on the fact that he successfully made a profit (which anyone is capable of doing given the right tools, it's not rocket science, we all do it) you will be handing your nation and its budget and economy over to a man who knows how to make a quick profit. You are not electing an economist, you are electing a capitalist.

Originally posted by openminded2011
Ok, i'll bite.


Bush gave us two fraudulent wars, the worst national security failure in US history, economic deregulation which almost put us into a second great depression, the removal of most of our civil liberties, and STOLE two elections with electronic voting. He left the country in ruins, and I dont care WHO you elected after him, NO ONE could have gotten us out of the mess he created in 4 years. Add to that, almost unanimous hostility from every republican in office in the four years Obama has been president and the attempt by that group to throw under the bus or obstruct ANY EFFORT by Obama to improve the situation to make sure he is a "One term president" As the main job of the president is to provide for the common good,this borders on treason against the American people. Now that very same party wants to take the reins of power again. The problem for the GOP is, like me, most people HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THAT REPUBLICANS CREATED THE MESS WE ARE IN. And I am sure they will vote accordingly. I have no great love for Obama, but he looks like an angel with a halo next to the far right brownshirts running for the GOP.

edit on 11-10-2012 by openminded2011 because: (no reason given)

Again, explain this to me PLEASE! Please back this up with facts and not just want you read on the internetz.

Fact-Bush went in front of a DEMOCRATIC led Congress in 2001 and again in 2004 to help regulate Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Bernie Frank not only made a HUGE push to discredit what Bush wanted to do but Bernie's "life partner" was hired for a position with Fannie Mae...hmmm seems like some back door stuff, no pun intended. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about our financial disaster KNOWS the housing collapse was the reason behind it all. If Obama doesn't have the power, then how did Bush? How come you liberal turds keep looking back 4 yeas ago when your all knowing President now said he would have this thing fixed up already. Multiple times in multiple debates and town square talks did he say this. MSNBC has video when Bush took the floor to regulate this before it got out of control....but just like Biden did lastnight, Bernie just laughed things off and made it a non-factor.

Lets talk about Obama not putting these criminals in jail? How about that?

Op, thanks for this post. Thanks for helping to destroy america. Voting for the lesser evil has destroyed my country. It is #ing obvious that we shouldnt vote for evil. Infact, you are committing treason by doing so.

Thanks.

On the surface, Occupy Wall Street and Romney have a lot in common.
They both do not take a stand on and flip flop from one day to the next.

Looking deeper however past all the propaganda and spin, where OWS was full of people taking a dump on cars, or they should just get a job, or that Romney is a job creator and has the best interest of America in mind brings to mind the truth between the two.

One is against Crony Capitalism that has become the status quo.
One is patriotic and has allegiance for the country while the other has their allegiance in other countries.






Romney, along with Obama are traitors to this country that show no allegiance to this country, only as they can extract so much from the productivity of its citizens to fill their anti American cronies wallets.

That 51K is being stolen as we speak from the American People via Money Printing and long term inflation further down the road. Same as they have done in the past, where the dollar is worth 3 % of what it once was.

The America People, those responsible and irresponsible have had to pay through loss of jobs, loss of thier house etc, while the Bankster Scum have been unaffected and continue to rake in the bonuses.

Light a fire for a banker, keep him warm for a day, light a banker on fire, keep him warm forever.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by Athin

 

I hate to break this to you...

US DEBT REACHES $16 TRILLION AND KEEPS ON GOING

You could have whoever you like running the country, the entire system your government and nation operates on is flawed and will not change even with Romney as POTUS.

What part of this are Americans not understanding? Every citizen in the USA from newborn to near death now has a debt attached to them of $51k.


But, you guys voted for Bush a second time, so it wont surprise me to see you make things worse by electing another idiot.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The only thing Romney is good at is raping and pillaging the country to fatten his and his other cronies wallets.
Romney is more Anti American and Un Patriotic than any president I can think of in the past.

reply to post by Athin

Completely inverted approach for any semblance of positive change. If we vote for another puppet and "hope", we WILL get exactly what we deserve for using such reasoning.

There is another way: Republicans: Sacrifice the Party like Obi-Wan. Seriously!

reply to post by Athin


Your post didn't give any reason why Romney SHOULD be voted in other than to get Obama out. I think Obama has been struggling with trying to get things passed, and I think he has done a fair job considering. Not that he is perfect, he has made his share of mistakes. The problem here is that your making a claim that Romney would be a better choice with no explanation of that, other than that we need Obama out. This is the type of decision making that puts our country in termoil to begin with, not thinking things through.

I can only assume that you either know very little about Romney or don't care, you just want Obama out. The grass is always greener on the other side isn't it? Obama care is perhaps one of the best things that has happened to our country, and making the 1% pay for it is even a better idea. These problems run deep, and with little understanding you will never get them. Our country suffers from problems of greed. Allowing business prospering people to take adavantage of the fact that they can own another person for a mere nine dollars an hour, is a perfect example. Presidents have in the past tried to hike up the minimum wage thinking that will adjust the problem, but it doesn't, because everything else will immediatly adjust with it, there is no change and often times things just get worse.

Republicans have themselves nesstled in a nice situation where as long as they have the money to own a person, they will succeed, mostly at the cost of putting the slave into the poor house. This is why we have the occupy movement, people are tired of working for slave wages, and its come to a head. Nevermind that there are no jobs to begin with, even when there are, no one wants to work for crap wages. This has been an ongoing war between employees and employers from the advent of UI benefits in 1935. We had a shift in the value of the dollar and a lot of higher paying jobs were cut. It was more profitable for people to accept UI than work for a minimum wage job. This is a form of striking, people are striking by saying they don't want to work for crap wages, and as a result the employers took control of the situation by eliminating full time positions, which in turn allowed them to not have to be obligated to paying UI benefits.

Its just a way for employers to say, it's their money and not ours, and its their jobs, and decision, not ours. It's an intresting problem as 99% of the population would disagree with the decisions, so I would like to see how your idea of pulling Obama out of office is going to fair. I think Obama wants to please the 99% although I don't agree with his passing the rule not allowing people to peacfully protest, like we do in occupy movements.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
In a bad economy you want economic people. That's Mittens..and that's as simple as she comes.

edit on 11-10-2012 by Wrabbit2000 because: (no reason given)

Mittens is not "economic people". He's a business man who has spent his life making a profit through the slashing and selling of other businesses.

Economics and making a profit are two entirely different things. That's my point.

Ummm.... Okay.... My research on Bain Capital and it's success/failure rate on rehabilitating companies to profitable status is radically at odds with what you're saying here. They lost a small % of the overall companies they took on to re-hab. 17 out of 77 in one period I looked at. Some of the BIGGEST names in retail that you eat from, buy from and enjoy services from today had contact at some point with the money wizards at Bain.

So.... If you'd like to redefine what a Capital Investment and Venture Capital firm actually DOES for a living...I suppose we each have our perogative for such things...but I'd prefer to stick with what they actually DID. They DID a hell of a lot to save a great many companies, as is/was their business model and purpose in life.

They also LOST money on a few companies.....among them are those that failed. Bain didn't make some fortune by liquidating client companies. I don't know where that silly thought started....but no one MAKES money by insuring others THEY OWN lose it. The logic there goes tilt on the face of it...and literal financial statements out of Bain show it never had basis in reality for them.

By your logic, we should be electing bankers. Are they not more of your "economic people" than Mittens is? He simply makes a profit from buying, cutting up, and then selling businesses. Surely a banker is more economically minded than he is?

(snaps fingers) Hey! Now you're starting to see my point! Yes.. electing BANKERS is not a bad idea when our nation is on the verge of total fiscal collapse and ruin. You don't hire a community organizer to run a bank and you don't hire a banker to run a community program. Both will screw it up beyond all hope. As HAS happened.

Obama's socialist agenda would have been perfect and timely in the 1970s...and may again be good at some point. Right now, this nation doesn't have the resources to pay it's own bills. We have NO MONEY left for social experiments and wild attempts at the dreams born from 1960's unrest. NOT now. NOT when we're damn near falling to total destruction from within on economics.

If you elect Romney based on the fact that he successfully made a profit (which anyone is capable of doing given the right tools, it's not rocket science, we all do it) you will be handing your nation and its budget and economy over to a man who knows how to make a quick profit. You are not electing an economist, you are electing a capitalist.

I absolutely love how when making a profit is a good thing, ANYONE can do it...and it's supposedly a simple thing to accomplish. Well...If that were true, then the failure rate for new business wouldn't be pushing the vast majority by any measure within the first few years. Almost NO ONE who attempts what Romney did in life, makes it. If that were different, money would have radically different meaning in society as everyone would have plenty of it.

As it happens.. SKILL and TALENT are required to make business work and work well. The fact anyone can suggest that isn't a key part anymore shows how effective the dumb down propaganda has worked to convince everyone that excellence is a suckers bet and being ABOVE average is being arrogant and should be looked down upon.

It's a scary scary place where we're at when a man TED KENNEDY HIMSELF called a friend....is now made out to look like ultimate evil itself and the WORST the right has ever produced in the history of politics.

The overblown B.S. propaganda is too damn much. Romney IS NOT EVIL and Obama is NOT the Anti-Christ. They're both dumb ass politicians and they're both corrupt;. WHICH VERSION of corruption do we want?


I want the kind best suited to make economics WORK in a nation where it's our #1 largest problem. You want a social guru. You vote your way and I'll vote mine.

May the best man win next month.......and hopefully Obama doesn't do too bad either.

"pray for a new direction " If you want to pray go to the church. Romney is a same, or much worst than Obama. The only different is he is rich, so he is the one who really don't care about you or me, and your pray. Secondly , "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." So don't pray for politics ))

Originally posted by jacobe001
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

The only thing Romney is good at is raping and pillaging the country to fatten his and his other cronies wallets.
Romney is more Anti American and Un Patriotic than any president I can think of in the past.

Like I noted to someone else...a little kinder....That propaganda and outright B.S. about Romney is as baseless and ignorant as saying Obama is Kenyan after all that has now been shown and established.

The lies about BOTH are flying like confetti on VE-Day and it's about blinding to see anything accurate right now.

However...if people would like to stick to this silly notion that a very wealthy businessman somehow got that way by "raping" the companies he was in charge of reversing and turning profitable...I'd love something more than 2nd hand repeated tag lines and slogans to actually show the meat of your point. I don't think it's got any.... Care to back your assertions with more than opinion?

Originally posted by AllInMyHead
Sorry, and I say this as respectfully as I can, but I think your wacked. I am no huge fan of either Obama or Romney but there is NO way NO how that I can see how a reasonable person could vote for Romney. He lies...CONSTANTLY, changes positions at the drop of a hat and doesn't seem to have a position on ANYTHING other than trying to be the opposite of Obama...which really isn't working all that well for him. So sorry, and I know that there are gonna be dozens but disagree with me, but I am gonna stick with Barack this time around.

You are 100% right and I don't want Obama or Romney either but I look at it this way better to stick with the devil you know then one where we really have no clue what will happen! Though all politicians lie, I've never seen a presidential candidate flip flop so much in my 44 years then watching Romney! I don't know if i will even vote because I believe that the truely important issues are out of our hands and the hands of even POTUS! I believe that Romney will win this election and we will all get what we deserve! More taxes, less freedom, more war, less jobs and more pollution! Goodluck ATS cause we will need it!