I got a question for Buhddist's and Rebirth belivers.

Originally posted by arpgme
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The spirit is awareness and it will know whether or not the body will come back alive in the 1000 years, just like the spirit knows whether or not to come back in an extreme long coma.

But awareness must then have some type of construct and some sort of sense to KNOW what is going to happen, and if it 'Knows' it would have to have some type of knowledge or memory to store that knowledge.

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by VoidHawk

Originally posted by Akragon
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i don't believe we will ever have the technology to revive a body after freezing it for 1000 years...

Science fiction for the loss...

I watched a docu about a frog that lives in the arctic. Every year when the summer is over the frog covers every cell in its body with some sort of sugar solution. Then the entire frog freezes solid. The solution prevents the ice from tearing the cells apart. Every cell in the frogs body is now technicaly isolated from every other cell.
In this state surely we must conclude that the frog is....dead!!

In the spring the frog thaws out and continues its life.

This must raise questions amongst those who believe in reincarnation??

I happen to believe in reincarnation actually... but this doesn't raise any doubts

The frog in your example is not dead, its in a state of hybernation... fish have this same ability.

The internal processes are slowed, not halted completely.

Once something is dead it doesn't return to life.... though this does leave the idea of NDE open for debate

Actualy the point they were making in the docu was that the frog was NOT in a hibernationstate, each cell had all connectivity to other cells removed because of the ice and sugar layer. NOTHING in the frog was active.

Other than the cells not being ruptured by the ice the frog was no different than a frozen steak in your freezer

Reincarnation? I do not believe in gods, but I'm open to the idea that life may not end when our bodies nolonger function.

So it is natures own cryogenic freezer. That's pretty cool.

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Yea, kind of. Like three different levels of exsistance. Material, natural life, then us, not that we are not natural but we moved up a little bit, gaining a higher level of soul.

Great question.
I think that time does not exist the same for souls on the other side.
So waiting would not be a problem.
Really that is the way to think not in the box.

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Originally posted by definity

Originally posted by arpgme
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The spirit is awareness and it will know whether or not the body will come back alive in the 1000 years, just like the spirit knows whether or not to come back in an extreme long coma.

But awareness must then have some type of construct and some sort of sense to KNOW what is going to happen, and if it 'Knows' it would have to have some type of knowledge or memory to store that knowledge.

Of course, all knowledge - anything that is being "seen (aware of)" is stored in the "universe memory" so to speak...

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Originally posted by definity

Originally posted by arpgme
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The spirit is awareness and it will know whether or not the body will come back alive in the 1000 years, just like the spirit knows whether or not to come back in an extreme long coma.

But awareness must then have some type of construct and some sort of sense to KNOW what is going to happen, and if it 'Knows' it would have to have some type of knowledge or memory to store that knowledge.

Of course, all knowledge - anything that is being "seen (aware of)" is stored in the "universe memory" so to speak...

Originally posted by deadeyedick

Great question.
I think that time does not exist the same for souls on the other side.
So waiting would not be a problem.
Really that is the way to think not in the box.

I see your point. Time would denote a 4th dimension at play, also time has to have some sort of measurement to even be recognised (seconds ,weeks, hours), and thus it would need senses to measure/observe them.

Though to be called upon/summoned/reborn mean you still must have some kinds of sense to know where to go or where to be directed. To be reborn.

This system of birth and death has an elegant design.

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Time would denote a 4th dimension at play, also time has to have some sort of measurement to even be recognised (seconds ,weeks, hours), and thus it would need senses to measure/observe them.

imo It is all a matter of perspective.
I believe that maybe it is possible that we volunteer for our role in reality.
It is the only answer i have come up with for the pain,suffering,and senseless deaths.
Maybe we choose to be in this injustice for the benefit of the evolution of humans.
Who else but you could fill your role? There is only one among millions!

Originally posted by antar
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The spirit would remain surrounding the body for 1,000 years. It would go into other areas of past or future life but when the body functions are brought back to a conscious state the spirit would slam back in just like after an OBE.

There is no time in eternity and linear reality does not exist.

One thing about this doesn't make sense to me though. You say that there is no linear time in eternity, so how would the spirit remain surrounding the body for 1,000 years? 1,000 years is a linear measurement of time, but according to you linear time doesn't exist.

Read teh Tibetan Book of The Dead & it's spelled 'Buddhists'.
Second.

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As we are not frogs, I fail to understand the comparison or the relevance. Many species can do things that we cant just as we can do what other species cant. Maybe our trick is reincarnating.

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Could be like chapters in a book. Start with the first, working your way through and you get to a chapter your stuck on. Maybe you can read another book for a while and come back to it later.
Which you eventually do.
Our sense of time has no meaning in the after/before life. We are all here to get life experiences, this is our school and it is here we learn our lessons. We hope to one day graduate, which would be getting to the next level.
How you live your life (Gong and Karma) will determine what your grades are and whether you progress.
High Grades (Gong) you graduate. Low Grades (Karma) and you have to repeat the lessons.
Very simplistic way to describe it, but it makes sense to me. Read a bit about Qigong, it's a hard gig and I know I am not ready to give up on all my attachments but it still makes sense.

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u get a schizophrenic waffle sandwhich. Might be quite tastesful.

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I think that if your body is resuscitated after that long and is viable, the originating spirit would be long gone and a walk-in takes its place.......it is possible, especially if you believe in reincarnation or creator. There are so many things that we just do not have answers to, and may never........but who am I? I have been clinically dead twice and my family used to say I was not the same person after my first death....I have always pondered this and tried to understand what my parents said and why they said it. Like I said, one never truly knows....

Walk-In

Walk In Souls Link

I think you must still be alive to be frozen, so your spirit sticks to your body. If your body is dead, the spirit will not think twice before leaving the body and will just search for a new vessel ... in case that vessel should already be obtained by another spirit, it might be tricky to end up in that new vessel in the first place or you and the other spirit fight until one leaves the body ...

I am looking forward to a time where these conversation are normal ...

greetz :-)

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Interesting question.
I do believe in multiple lives, and i like reading all of the opinions of others.

I really don't know the answer.

But I do know of author/M.D. Brian Weiss. He is a specialist in hypnosis and past life regressions. He kind of stumbled upon past life regressions while working with patients under hypnosis. He had a very 'traditional' western education when it came to his practice, but he was one of the pioneers of past life regression therapy.

His books "Many lives, many masters" and "Only Love is Real" are amazing. They are first hand accounts of his patients as they remember their many past lives. Some can speak languages they have never learned or heard. Others can give very very specific details about past civilizations they never knew existed. Some of learned their past name of a recent life and actually been able to look that person up in the history records and then visit their grave! And still, some (but very few) are able to go so deep into a trance that they actually go 'in between' their lives and are able to speak and communicate directly to 'the masters' (or the spiritual beings from other dimensions.) The spiritual wisdom the patients are able to relay from these masters is incredibly profound and 'deep,' and far surpasses the spiritual wisdom already obtained by the patient.

And, some patients have even said that (although it is very rare) a soul will in fact split and inhabit two bodies at once. So is a soul being in two bodies at once completely out of the question? Nope. AND the soul would most likely be completely aware that the past body were still frozen, and since time isn't linear, the soul would be prepared to re-enter the body at the correct 'time' (it's not like it would be a surprise to them when it happens, ya know?)

With GOD all things are possible

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The body that was frozen will be soulless. Once the body or vehicle dies the soul must move on. It will not be returned to the old body.

From what I've experienced,right atthe bottom there is only a single consciousness. The perception of separation goes with a point perception. Survival after 'death' is then a matter of information transfer to a different medium.( It has a good chance of being slightly lossy due to compression in the transfer I'd guess. Maybe that is the thing of your life flashing by).

So if you define a soul as a point perception of the one consiousness with a memory collection (and I've got the suspicion that the entity also needs to have a running conduit of life energy/qui/orgone/odin energy, whatever you call it this week) which may be the tricky part to re-establish) you have a working restore of a backup copy of what your soul was 1000 years ago. And a very unique, new point perception for the All.

Btw, I thing the 'all' bit is implemented in the quantum hardware of the universe. Gives an optimal answer to any question posed to it by your logic based brain. There are some nifty neural network caches and things, but the core decision part is an instant np- complete optimization, otherwise known as 'free will'. The brain interfaces with that and provides a fancy Turing implementation to figure out useful questions.

The main clue that this quantum thingie in the middle has a specific style is the wicked sense of humor in the external optimizations. Filter that throu 2000 years of FUD and you have a bit of a strange God concept of which the only real info left is omni-present and omni powerful in a way, but the tech detail is missing.

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A thousand years is less than the blink of an eye, so you are still thinking in linear terms with your question. Let me know if I can help you understand a bit better although I do not have all the answers, just a few of them.