reply to post by victor7
I am willing to go to war with Iran over the nuclear issue but going to war to change the regime is something out of the international laws.
Are you serious? The PURPOSE
of war is ultimately to change the regime in power. That's the point.
Look in the Bible for a plethora of political examples. Egypt attacks Judea and installs it's own puppet government etc, this is simply how war must
be fought, with this goal specifically in mind.
Iran is ruled by a tiny little body, an idea Khomeini borrowed from Plato's Republic called "the guardian council"; The guardian council, a council
made up entirely of hardline Muslims, pretty much controls everything in Iran. It manipulates elections by prohibiting certain reformist parties from
positions of government, etc.
So getting that frustrating stricture out of the way, how do you expect a Fundamentalist Shi'ite government which came to power on messianic claims
and constantly feeds its civilians messianic messages, to all of a sudden stop on the path which coincidentally today marks the 33th (an esoteric
number of significance to Iran's mystic minded elite) anniversary of??
Iran has been planning and preparing for this since their very inception. Khomeini literally thought of himself as God incarnate, so identified with
Allah in prophetic and mystic rapture, that he thought every one of his thoughts was directed by a higher hand, and so everything he did was
essentially blameless and directed by a higher wisdom. Once a member of parliament asked Khomeini how much longer the Iran-Iraq war would go on -
millions are being killed; muslims shouldn't be fighting like this. Khomeini replied to him "would you criticize God for making earthquakes?"
insinuating that his will was essentially Gods will.
I described that scene because this has been the general tenor of the Islamic revolution since '79. Even with Ahmadinejad, you have constant claims
being made that the Imam Mahdi is returning soon, that Shi'ites must prepare the way for the coming of the Imam Mahdi etc; this government is spurred
by a messianic fervor that makes so little sense to us that some of us don't even believe it. But if you study the history and learn how this doctrine
developed, and how it came to power in 1979, it's an amazing fact which we westerners don't quite fully comprehend the gravity of. Iran is aflame with
great expectations for the immediate future. No people - and Saddam learned this during the Iran-Iraq war - sacrifice themselves with such vigor as
Iranians did, and this is because of the messianic "12th Imam" mythos going on in Iran's media and culture.
You cannot leave Iran alone, as Iran intends to DESTABILIZE the world to create the scenario they believe will lead to the return of their Imam Mahdi;
they can do this with a nuclear weapon. Hence, why they want a nuclear weapon. And why Israelis are understandably scared #less for their lives.
The Muslim world is a world which suffers from problems that is sometimes hard to comprehend. It all emanates from its beginnings, with the killing of
Husayn by the Umayyad caliph Yazid I which resulted in the Schism of Sunni and Shi'ite. The Sunni's sided with the caliph, the shi'ites with Husayn.
Sunni's are more legal oriented, while Shi'ites are more spiritually and mystically oriented. Shi'ites believe the Imam (the leader of the Muslim
community) is an intermediary between man and God, while the Sunni believe the Caliph is nothing more than a political ruler; all humans beings are
equal in their relation to God, while Shi'ites believe some human beings are blessed with superior power enabling them to intuit the will of God.
So there's major areas of disagreement, hence, why they are constantly fighting with each other.
Not only are they a huge problem to themselves, but their radicalism makes it an onerous problem for all non-Muslims.
So knowing this, wouldn't you say were at a civilizational impasse? How do we get past this? How do we protect ourselves from them?
I've only outlined Iran's craziness. On the other side you have Sunni fundamentalism represented by the Muslim Brotherhood. The brotherhood is now in
power in Egypt; they are currently fighting Iran backed Al assad in Syria; they are currently vying for power in Libya.
The Sunni's are secretly (or not so secretly, but mostly unknown to people who don't study this subject) planning to resurrect the caliphate with
Jerusalem as the capital (a symbolic meeting took place in 1934 between Islamic fundamentalists formulating the basics of the plan, in Jerusalem);
this means, they essentially want revolution in ALL Arab countries, from Pakistan (excluding shi'ite Iran) to Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Syria, right on down
into North Africa. And they've already made a huge gain in Egypt. And if they eventually oust Assad in Syria, they will have Syria as well. Lebanon
will be next - and that means, I'm sorry to say, intense civil war between the Shia, Sunni and Christian Arabs.
Israel has every reason to be crapping their pants.
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