Originally posted by charles1952
What if Iranians say, "If only those idiotic leaders of ours would give up on this nuclear bomb idea, we could get the world to stop messing with us. Heck, they'd probably even give us money. I know, let's throw out those crazy old madmen and tell the world we don't want trouble."

Seems like a good outcome. Besides shipping Windex to the area to prepare for cleaning up the remains of the country, what suggestion have you got for keeping the bomb out of crazy people's hands?

That's what you're hoping for, but if the sanctions squeeze them too much, they may decide to side with the mullahs. It's a fine line.

Originally posted by LostPassword
That's BS, when Israeli Mossad killed bunch of scientists in Iran, their universities
received a flood of applications for nuclear physics

Of course, there is no evidence that Mossad was involved, except confessions extracted by the Iranian politically motivated and controlled justice system.

To OP. The collapse of the Iranian economy offers the prospect that it would be in Iran’s interests to have a diversionary war. Everyone on these Boards seems obsessed with false flags, so why not a false flag originating from Iran that suckers the West into a conflict, thus indirectly confirming the belief that the West want to attack Iran! Iranian planners must be having a field day with these ideas.

Regards

Originally posted by LostPassword
That's BS, when Israeli Mossad killed bunch of scientists in Iran, their universities
received a flood of applications for nuclear physics

Of course, there is no evidence that Mossad was involved, except confessions extracted by the Iranian politically motivated and controlled justice system.

To OP. The collapse of the Iranian economy offers the prospect that it would be in Iran’s interests to have a diversionary war. Everyone on these Boards seems obsessed with false flags, so why not a false flag originating from Iran that suckers the West into a conflict, thus indirectly confirming the belief that the West want to attack Iran! Iranian planners must be having a field day with these ideas.

Regards

Originally posted by RizeorDie
this reminds me of something that happened not so long ago, what was it, hmmm


and then germany was played as the aggressor simply because germany had NO OTHER CHOICE BUT TO ACT!

Germany was 'played as the aggeressor'????????????????????? Are you actually living in the same timeline as the rest of us? Hitler wasn't that nice a guy you know, I hope you get to that bit in history classes at some point.

Originally posted by jcarpenter

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Sanctions or war, I'll take the sanctions.

There is no justification for either -- unless you've swallowed the propaganda koolaid. In fact, these sanctions are an act of war.

edit on 1-10-2012 by jcarpenter because: (no reason given)

Koolaid? Sanctions are not an act of war, they are effectively one entity saying they do not wish to trade with another entity - when did that become an act of war?

There were some whom were accused of celebrating, real or imagination, on the success of the collapsing of the Iranian economy.

There is NOTHING to celebrate at this stage.

The only ones who are suffering are our fellow human brothers and sisters in Iran. Most of them DO NOT understand what is happening to them with this man-made event into their daily lives.

AND worse, the narrative is now HIJACKED by the persian authorities to put blame upon the West, the way Bagdad Bob does with half truths, lies and more propaganda.

The whole purpose of the sanctions is to get the Persian apostate leader to end his nuke weaponization attempts through every diplomatic means short of outright war.

The innocent iranian masses were never the targets of the sanctions. It was the persian authorities that were the targets. Unfortunately, to get the persian authorities, sanctions will have to go through the masses.

EVERY nation's leader is responsible for the welfare of his citizens. We mankind share our world, and national leaders do have a responsibility not only to their own citizens, but to the rest of mankind as well. What one leader does will ultimately affect all, as we humanity are interconnected in more ways than one.

And humanity's concern right now is unchecked nuke stations as well as the evidences of nuke enrichment by Iran beyond peaceful uses. Looking at the religious angle, it brooks even further concerns with a nuke power might minority Islamic sect.

Those concerns are real. If it is clear that the Persian apostate is pursing nuke armament. it would mean the suffering of a large significant portion of mankind, whom will have to grovel before the apostate as they did to N.Korean little kim in the past.

So why must majority of mankind suffer?

Thus, that pain felt by us all must be made known to our fellow human brothers and sisters in Iran.

Many of them are not stupid, and know of the persian apostate's repression, but apathy and greed often gets in the way of necessary action, common to ALL humans. As long they don't feel the pain, they will be contented to remain apathetic.

Now they know the pain, with the economy down and afftecting them all. Questions will be asked 'WHY'? Only the truth will set them free. We mankind share our world. The leaders are responsible for the welfare of the nation. Today, the persian apostate had only shown to the citizens how insignificant they truly are, by not caring about them, but cares only for his own deluded dreams.

There is free will for all. Be apathetic, and support those whom cares not about the common masses, or take charge, to do what is necessary, to seek for truths and realities instead of bagdad lies, and hold the representatives of the nation FULLY ACCOUNTABLE.

If the State Department fails to get this message through, then you the reader and me will have to get it out to our fellow human brothers and sisters in Iran, with whatever social media we can, including even cellphones - word by mouths, uncensorable and unstoppable, the best way.....

As it is been said many times before,the problem with Iran is not about their nuclear ambitions or the human rights at all.It is solely because Israel and the west can not tolerate an independent powerful Islamic state in the region.It goes against their existence and all their values....And of course oil and the central banks have always been very tempting for the west. Iraq Afghanistan Libya Tunisia Egypt anybody?... It is so naive to assume west's involvements in the ME is purely because of lack of democracy,human rights issues,the fear of terrorism or any other childish reasons rather than the above.

I'm afraid Zionists might control the world economy and be able to crumble different country's economies at will. They don't even need sanctions. They just move their money around. This crumble came just as the Iranian leader told the truth to the world on TV. The Zionists don't want the truth to be heard. This is all theory, as I don't really know these Zionists or the Iranians.