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(my spell checker apparently was not working last night, I just noticed a typo, "crowd" was what I meant, not coud, which is not a word.)
Why do you masquerade as a 7th day Adventist instead of a Preterits ?
To start out, I may want to make a comment about yourself. You seem to have an interpretation unique to you, so it may not be such a good idea to criticize others on grounds of being unorthodox.
You also must believe that the bible is totally wrong . There is no way that the mark of the beast and one world government has happened .
This is all a little deranged in my opinion, the idea that if you do not follow my methodology of interpretation, of sifting through a whole mess of symbolic references, and choosing which fragments exactly to take literally, then you just don't have any faith.
There is no way that the mark of the beast and one world government has happened . Then what about the 1000 year reign . From the time of Jesus and his sacrifice for sin he has not returned .And then there is the question what is going on now ?
The way you have chosen to believe you have discredited the very bible from which you are supposed to believe . I don't know your belief crisis but it is very much bordering on disbelief in my opinion .When I say crisis , I have come to understand that there are reasons people choose to believe as they do . Those reasons are mostly fear .The fear of commitment , the fear that they will not be able to sustain their commitment , the fear of of having to give your life to resist the mark and the fear of a long agonizing resisting of the Antichrist . Then there is having to abandon everything that you own to reject the Mark . And lastly the fact that you will have to walk away from those you love who do not share your faith in the Lord .
So lets say it already happened or we will be snatched out before we have to make those hard decisions .
Boy that sounds like commitment to the Lord to me . What is your reason ?
The Preterits wanted to apply the 2nd Temple times and events to the end times prophecy
Originally posted by jmdewey60
Rather than a lecture on cataclysms, how about explaining how you came to the above conclusion?
The Father Tells Jesus when to Reap
Jesus is sitting in the clouds and the Angel tells Jesus with the sound of a Trump when the Father gives the word .
I understand that in your mind there is this thing called the "end times" but where does it come from? Is it in the Bible?
The end times are the times that haven't happened yet or we would not here talking about it now .
There is something like that in 2 Peter but I doubt that there is any evidence that Peter actually wrote it, so it would be in my opinion something not to be taken seriously as a description of something that could literally happen. That quote in 2 Peter is not about just the earth but basically the entire universe, burning up, so what in the world is he talking about? Probably a concept of the thing he mentions, the "day of the Lord", which is the end of everything, meaning time itself ends and all existence ceases to exist and some people will pass judgment and enter into some sort of other existence where nothing bad can ever happen. I doubt he has any details in mind and is just parroting the view a lot of Jews had back at that time about Judgment Day. The real point he was making was not the particulars of a current urban mythology, but the idea that it is important to keep yourself right with God in case you do find yourself in that sort of situation.
Question #1. Do you believe God will destroy the earth with fire ?
I don't think Jesus said that, but what you are describing is a construct in your own imagination made by combining different sections of verses to come out saying that.
Question #2 Do you believe Jesus when he said he would come back in the Clouds to reap the harvest?
Who do you mean by "we"? Not necessarily Earth proper, since if we were in an "eternal life" mode, I would imagine we would be free to travel to other planets. What I think is that the universe was made in a certain way, a very long time ago and that what is described in Genesis 1 & 2 is something that happened later and on a local level, to make this planet inhabitable for humans. I don't think that the planet or the universe was ever "perfect". Obviously it was not, and it was only inside the Garden, and was less good once outside that small area. I think the Universe is in a not perfect state, and not just this planet, and it is just one of those things which is something that has to be survived until it is perfect. We have to become perfect ourselves before the universe becomes perfect.
Question #3 Do you believe we will remain on earth to live out eternity ?
No, that is just symbolic imagery to explain a concept otherwise a little difficult to grasp, so is a mental visual aid to encourage people to live right.
Question #4 . Do you believe that the 144000 Virgin Jewish Men are the only one to be taken to heaven ?
That part is actual history and explained to be understood that way, in a way that things like Revelation is not, and rather is described as pictures to be symbolic of bigger concepts.
Question # 5 Do you believe Jesus was born of a virgin , Son of God, died on the cross , rose on the 3rd day and ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God ?
Explain to me how what you believe comes from the Bible and not a bunch of happy-talk propaganda.
I will answer your questions . Will you answer mine ?
That is one version, probably the NIV, where most versions translate it as "none would be saved".
“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
I asked you not to give a lecture on catastrophes. My suggestion to you is to do some actual study on the Bible and less repeating of garbage you hear on YouTube videos.
Because there are so many things we don't understand about nature. We don't know about the Earth . . .
more Chew on this . Revelations Chapter 14 verse14 . When do you see one like the Son of Man in the clouds with a golden crown on his head with a sharp sickle . Revelations 14 is a parallel of parts of Revelations 7 .
Matthew 24 verse 30 is speaking directly of the Son of God coming in the Clouds with Great Power and Great Glory.
When have you ever heard of an angel having Great Glory .
And He shall send HIS angels means the Lord Jesus .
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
If the son of man in Revelations 14:14 is indeed Jesus, why does an angel pass him the message from the Father? I thought Jesus receives messages from God directly.
Jesus does not need to be given these instructions, but the messsage has to be given publicly so that we, the readers, can hear it and know what's going on.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
Like I told you earlier, your argument of " its so we, the readers, can hear it and know what's going on" doesn't really hold because most of the book of revelations is written in cryptic language and symbols and no one really knows whats going on.
Take the angel out of the picture, and John would have still seen the son of man reap the earth. In fact, the same argument can be used to say "we hear the angel speaking, so we could know that the son of man was only performing his role as a servant of God".