The Right Wing Echo Chamber

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


The only thing radical about him was that he tried to help poor black people in the 1930's, other than that...not much!

I believe in knowing what your enemy is about.

And the Tea Party didn't distribute his material because the wanted to "know their enemy". They did because his teachings could be applied to any movement. The Tea Party is radical itself...just on the right.

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Not having lived Down Under, I could use a definition of Labour and Liberal parties. That would help me to understand where you are coming from. Are they seemingly opposed to one another or more similar? What are the party platforms according to Aussie definitions?

reply to post by RealSpoke


Since you opened that can of worms, what is radical about the Tea Party? You think that limited govt is radical? That was the basis of our Founding Fathers and the Constitution. You think that lower taxes is radical? Taxes is what our Founding Fathers fought the Revolution over. You think that pro life is radical? I have no words to express how profoundly nuts it is to think of defending innocent life in the womb as radical. I guess it's all in one's perspective.

The right comes on "harder" and more strident and the left is more of a soft-sell, so it does seem on the surface that the right is more intolerant. But this is not necessarily so.

I almost think the two parties are more psychological than political in nature. The right attracts masculine/extrovert types and plays a more dynamic, in-your-face tune, but the left has Its own sneaky passive-aggressive toolbox.

One place you can see leftist hysteria and intolerance is in IDENTITY issues: race, gender, and sexual orientation. The left displays every bit as much nasty knee-jerkism on these issues as anything to come from the right. Nuance goes out the window; if you dont sign off 110% on the PC agenda you are a racist redneck and that's all there is to it. If you question gay marriage it MUST be homophobia; no other explanation is acceptable or even conceivable to the left.

The ad hom attacks that get flung on these identity issues by the left are more rabid and frothing-at-the-mouth than anything that comes out of the right, and thats a fact.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Wanting to privatize everything is radical
Wanting to de-regulate corporations like monsanto is radical

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Wanting to privatize everything is radical
Wanting to de-regulate corporations like monsanto is radical

well let's analyze this. You use liberalspeak of course, so if we turn the dial a bit, we see that "wanting to privatize everything" as seen through a conservative lens means not giving the State centralized control, means retaining private property, whereas the left socialism desires Statist control right down to what we eat, what lunches our schoolchildren can have, right down to pbj sandwiches being racist food, right down to how much sugar we can buy at the store, right down to how many wolves we can hunt, you know the Mayor Bloomberg type demand to not have giant big gulp drinks and the Michelle Obama need to have restaurants label everything on their menu in order to force people to not be obese.
deregulation....well I have yet to hear a Tea Partier say let's deregulate Monsanto....deregulation is another liberal buzzword that is designed to make people believe that free marketeers want to allow evil corporations to do just any old horrid thing because goodness knows how evil all corporations are...just ask Adbusters and OWS. And yet George Soros and other hedge fund managers used changes in rulings to take advantage in the market. MIchael Savage explains that one in his book "Trickle Up Poverty".
Now, When were you going to demonize Soros for his actions? Never probably because he supports Obama. When were you going to demonize Barney Frank when as overseer of Fannie/Freddie he looked the other way and said all is fine? Never because he is a leftist Democrat and supports Obama. When were you going to admit that the Democrats use regulation to force banks and business to do things their way, make them lend to people through legislation, make them do things to equalize things. When will you admit that the buzzword "deregulation" means that govt is forcing business to do things which end up causing huge financial chaos, depression, recession, and crisis? When are you going to admit that regulating business forces them overseas?
Regulation means Statist central control over our lives and deregulation means more freedom and liberty and free enterprise.
Barney Frank and his friends made out like bandits too by the way on that fannie/freddie thing.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


You're using "conservativespeak". Where you think public libraries/parks equates to the state dictating what food you can eat. And how corporations will not abuse their workers/environment if left up to their own devices.

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by sheepslayer247
The only problem is its not just the Right, but the Left as well.

Both pander to the extremes of their own party, its divisive rhetoric all around.

Its all BS, gaming the system to prolong the problems for the sake of winning an election, it needs to stop.

No. The Democratic party does not pander to its extreme members. Otherwise it would be advocating universal health care, prosecution of Wall Street financiers and prosecution of Obama as a war criminal. The Democratic party has become a centrist if not centrist right party. The Republican party has moved to the extreme right. Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and George Bush I would all be considered commie-pinko socialists by current GOP standards.

I'll grant you that MSNBC is basically a propaganda organ for the DNC because it never mentions anything bad that Obama or the Democrats do, but it doesn't put out falsehoods like FOX "news".

I'll also grant you that both parties are in cahoots by playing good cop/bad cop, thereby playing to each of their constituencies. But the Democrats do a better job of sticking to reality than do the Republicans. The Democrats also don't pander to hate and racism, unlike a lot of Republican politicians and pundits.

Did you watch/listen to the clip provided? Can you provide similar instances of extreme hyperbole by Democrats or progressives? I challenge you to provide a couple (and I doubt you can). Until you do, your claim is a false equivalence.

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

I think that may be an example of the information Bias at play.

It gets kind of annoying when you see in the media and on here this thought that the Left has the monopoly on intelligence and free thinking open mindedness.

If it wasn't a violation of TOS, I could list all the members I have seen being just as stubborn as the right. Watch an Episode of Bill Maher if you want to see the same kind of rhetoric being spouted by the left.

Its not till you step back from both parties, and see it as the game it is (For christ sake theres team mascot's .) that you understand its all manipulation to keep the masses at bay.

If we all stopped drinking the MSM koolaid we would be marching on Washington DC with pitch forks and torches.

People need to stop banging the "my teams better" drum, there are no teams, its just Americans being abused by those in power.

First off, Bill Maher's show is not a news show. It is a current events talk show with comedy and editorializing. That said, I challenge you to provide a couple examples of extremely factually incorrect statements by Bill Maher or his LIKE-MINDED guests (not his conservative guests who just spin for their side) that are on a par with what Rachel Maddow has shown in this video.

And as far as ATS members go, besides the nut-cake conspiracy theorists of whatever ideological stripe, I see very little extremely false information in posts or comments by the more members. The same cannot be said of the conservatives. Currently there are conservatives making a big deal about some art exhibition with the P*SS Christ exhibit, which was originally run years ago. They're getting on Obama's case for not condemning it. Yet these same people are for limited government and feel the government is already too involved in aspects of American life. They have no consistent belief. They just hate this guy because he is a Democrat and likely because he is part African American.

Want to gripe about real bad stuff Obama is doing? Fine. Then talk about his extra-judicial killings of US citizens and his illegal, undeclared drone wars across the planet, which are de facto terrorist operations, or that he hasn't sent the DoJ after Wall Street or British Petroleum, or that he has shielded the criminal Bush administration from any criminal investigations, including for war crimes and civil rights violations. But no, they'd rather talk about him being a Muslim or that he is, according to dubious sources, planning to by a $35 million-dollar mansion in Hawaii.

Again, a false equivalence between conservatives and liberals/progressives here at ATS. And making these false equivalences is just about as bad as coming up with this extreme, ridiculous stuff the the hard-core right-wingers at ATS bring up. You're essentially saying that a gunshot to the head is the same as a finger thwack to the ear. But prove me wrong, if you can. Cite some examples of extreme and ridiculous politcal rhetoric and posts by liberal ATS members. To find extreme right-wing ones, I just have to point you to the ATS homepage and all the Obama-rant threads.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


Good post. Good points. Commend you on being objective in your viewing of political rhetoric, and that you acknowledge the over-the-topness of rhetoric and claims made by the extreme right.

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Oh, I did have you in mind also when I wrote that post but up to that point you hadn't entered the thread so I left you out of it. Thanks for pointing out why you are part of the Trinity though.

Originally posted by benrl
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

The only problem is its not just the Right, but the Left as well.

Both pander to the extremes of their own party, its divisive rhetoric all around.

Its all BS, gaming the system to prolong the problems for the sake of winning an election, it needs to stop.

How? Where?
Show me this "the Left as well".
Thank you.

Originally posted by MrInquisitive
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

Good post. Good points. Commend you on being objective in your viewing of political rhetoric, and that you acknowledge the over-the-topness of rhetoric and claims made by the extreme right.

c'mon, you know you are going to be labled a pinko-communist for expressing rational thought...like some of us here, you are simply dismissed as the "other", or not being "awake", or, i like this one, a "sheeple".

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I will add Valerie Jarrett, Van Jones, anita Dunn, David Axelrod.... all communist

Jane fonda, Ted TurnerCass Sunstein, John Holdren, Bernadine Dohrn...all hard core left

Michelle and Barack....hard core left Marxist

You joking?
If not - prove this.
...communist ... Marxist ... you calling Rmoney a socialist then?
Who needs to read a book when you've got FOX, right?

If this goes on, the right making their own truths out of lies and getting away with selling that stuff to americans - you're dead.
Where do you think USA will be 30 years from now when people don't know the difference between facts and fiction? Are the right really doing this? What are they thinking?! Are they really that desperate? Is this what unbridled greed looks like?
There's going to be hell to pay in the end.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Also the OP has repeatedly said that he himself is not left wing, that he was Republican and so on, but I have never seen him post anything remotely Republican. I have always seen him as left wing, though he claims not to be. Maybe therein lies the real conundrum why left wingers try to deny their left wingedness and say that conservatives are the real nazis.

YOU have always seen me as left-wing because you are so far to the right that Ronald Reagan would be called a lefty as well.

Luckily enough, many members have proven my OP to be correct. You cannot argue against the extreme right-wing with facts and logic that originate from outside of the echo chamber.

I really thank many of you for participating.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Wanting to privatize everything is radical
Wanting to de-regulate corporations like monsanto is radical

well let's analyze this. You use liberalspeak of course, so if we turn the dial a bit, we see that "wanting to privatize everything" as seen through a conservative lens means not giving the State centralized control, means retaining private property, whereas the left socialism desires Statist control right down to what we eat, what lunches our schoolchildren can have, right down to pbj sandwiches being racist food, right down to how much sugar we can buy at the store, right down to how many wolves we can hunt, you know the Mayor Bloomberg type demand to not have giant big gulp drinks and the Michelle Obama need to have restaurants label everything on their menu in order to force people to not be obese.
deregulation....well I have yet to hear a Tea Partier say let's deregulate Monsanto....deregulation is another liberal buzzword that is designed to make people believe that free marketeers want to allow evil corporations to do just any old horrid thing because goodness knows how evil all corporations are...just ask Adbusters and OWS. And yet George Soros and other hedge fund managers used changes in rulings to take advantage in the market. MIchael Savage explains that one in his book "Trickle Up Poverty".
Now, When were you going to demonize Soros for his actions? Never probably because he supports Obama. When were you going to demonize Barney Frank when as overseer of Fannie/Freddie he looked the other way and said all is fine? Never because he is a leftist Democrat and supports Obama. When were you going to admit that the Democrats use regulation to force banks and business to do things their way, make them lend to people through legislation, make them do things to equalize things. When will you admit that the buzzword "deregulation" means that govt is forcing business to do things which end up causing huge financial chaos, depression, recession, and crisis? When are you going to admit that regulating business forces them overseas?
Regulation means Statist central control over our lives and deregulation means more freedom and liberty and free enterprise.
Barney Frank and his friends made out like bandits too by the way on that fannie/freddie thing.

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edit on 26-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Am I the only one who rolls his eyes at this pseudo intellectual bullsh*t? Cut and paste from poorly informed ultra Right political pop culture. A 17th century portrait as an avatar and simply surrounding trite soundbites "deregulation means more freedom and liberty and free enterprise" with pompous diction does not fool many into considering you some gifted thinker. I do see though how much you enjoy the sound of your own voice. You seem to have much in common with your hero, Glen Beck.

Great post my friend! S&F!

As a patriot and a veteran, I have nothing but regret and great disappointment in what our government has done to Our nation. Between special interest group, lobbyists, scandals, war-mongering, lying, cheating, and stealing I can no longer support the decisions made in Washington. It's all smoke and mirrors, especially during election time, which I abhor. But you're right, extremists (either left or right), have destroyed this country. I don't vote for anyone with an agenda. Politicians are slimy, lying, scoundrals, only they are better polished than the rest of us. It no longer matters whether you're a democrat or republican, they are lying to us all and selling all of us out! It's naive to believe that bipartisan politics has done anything but further divide and create mistrust. To me they are all equally scumbags. I know, unfortunately yes, I am throwing out the baby with the bath water. Something changed during the last sixty years that took politicians from being Public Servants to gods...a mistake. For many people, they have witnessed the evil, greed, and criminal acts perpetrated by the powers in Washington and those instances include the assassination of the POTUS JFK and September 11th. I'm sad to admit that it is true of what other countries accuse of us...the war-mongering for U.S. political interests, unfortunately, those political interests are set in motion by small-minded evil and greedy politicians that are not thinking about a global future, but their own next two or four years. I think Eisenhower was onto something when he gave that last speech...we should have heeded his warning...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

Since you opened that can of worms, what is radical about the Tea Party? You think that limited govt is radical? That was the basis of our Founding Fathers and the Constitution. You think that lower taxes is radical? Taxes is what our Founding Fathers fought the Revolution over. You think that pro life is radical? I have no words to express how profoundly nuts it is to think of defending innocent life in the womb as radical. I guess it's all in one's perspective.

Glad you brought this up.

The TP is radical in that a large portion of the group claims to want smaller government, but they also want you to keep "your dirty hands off my Medicare".

They claim to be against socialized medicine......but keep "your dirty hands off my Medicare".

They claim to be pro-life, but most are pro death penalty, pro-war and have no problem carrying a sign depicting the death of Obama. Seems to me that they like to kill people, they just wait till the kid grows up.

They claim to be for lower taxes but don't mind spending most of my tax money on war and I don't hear them crying when my tax dollars pays for that elderly paratransit bus that takes them to their doctors appointment.

The founding fathers are rolling in their graves and shame on you for thinking you have the right to invoke their name!

The Koch brothers love to spread their agenda through their channels. That much is certain.

It's working too. The more they have everyone on Fox and Limbaugh shout "Social Security is going broke!", the more people believe it.
Hell, even ATS reverberates the echo on a daily basis.
If I didn't know better, I would think ATS has members who will personally profit from the privatization of SS.
That's what the echo does. It brainwashes people into voting for things which are in direct opposition to their own best interest.
They will continue to bash unions and social security all in an attempt to completely disassemble the middle class and destroy the working class, and all the while those who hate abortion and welfare will go along with it. It really is fascinating to me. Even more fascinating is the complete denial of same republican voters who receive government assistance, but somehow don't think it's the same as the brown guy who receives food stamps. Somehow those who vote left are moochers but only the right wing voters are truly entitled. "Everyone is lazy but me." That is exactly the thought process.


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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by campanionator

 

I see now you have taken to insulting my ability to use logic in my arguments. When losing an argument just start insulting.

You want all of us to assume that Europe did not have a right wing population

When did I say Europe did not have any right wing? Did you read the Antony Sutton article I posted? It really explains the dialectical methodology.

Here is an article which also explains the error in considering Hitler right wing

whyamericansaredumb.com...

Also the OP has repeatedly said that he himself is not left wing, that he was Republican and so on, but I have never seen him post anything remotely Republican. I have always seen him as left wing, though he claims not to be. Maybe therein lies the real conundrum why left wingers try to deny their left wingedness and say that conservatives are the real nazis.

edit on 26-9-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Your comprehension problem is basic one -

You assume that being right wing or conservative means LESS GOVERNMENT

Conservative is defined by maintaining and upholding tradition within society and government.

Being conservative in America means a stronger State government and a weaker Federal Government, based upon the Anti Federalists views which wanted a strong State government and a weaker Federal government.
However this is a culturally specific type of conservatism which does not apply to most right wing philosophies
throughout the world.

You are assuming that America's political system is what the world bases it's ideas upon.