President Obama Throws Israel Under The Bus

reply to post by charles1952

As you take your tongue out of your cheek, my dear friend, you are so right. They are good friends, and it is a shame that there is so much hatred on this thread, but you and I have encountered that on other threads, dealing with the same hatred, but a different target. Netanyahu was educated in the United States, and perhaps others forget, unlike you and I, that sometimes Israel is the only nation in the UN that stands with the US on some issues,.The Israeli people are descendants of unfortunate souls that were sent to death camps, and have suffered enough. I can't believe that the hatred still exists. The way Obama has treated Netanyahu is deplorable. First, he summons him to the White House for talks, and then walks out to have dinner with Michelle, leaving Netanyahu to fend for himself for dinner. Then he says he can't meet with Netanyahu in NY, because he is too busy, but he has time to go on the Letterman show.
In the words of Rev. Martin Niemoller in Nazi Germany:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

www.ushmm.org...

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

Peace my good friend, and keep up the good fight.

Originally posted by benrl
Havent we been dragged into enough wars on the off chance a country might be developing WMDs... and Why didn't we rush to stop NK a country we still technically are at war with?

Right no resources there to exploit, lets not act like this isn't all convoluted excuses, we invade when it is in our direct interest, right now, Iran is not so much.

In a few months who knows.

But, we do need Iran's resources and we need them NAO! It takes me 100 bucks to fill my 20 gallon dodge ram up! :shk:

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by benrl
Havent we been dragged into enough wars on the off chance a country might be developing WMDs... and Why didn't we rush to stop NK a country we still technically are at war with?

Right no resources there to exploit, lets not act like this isn't all convoluted excuses, we invade when it is in our direct interest, right now, Iran is not so much.

In a few months who knows.

But, we do need Iran's resources and we need them NAO! It takes me 100 bucks to fill my 20 gallon dodge ram up! :shk:

Lol, same here man, got a 2500 first year with the Hemi, that sucker gets 12mpg.

If it lowered prices id say yea lol... BUt it wont, it will destabilize the area, and make gas prices soar.

I have served my country with honor signed my name and took on whatever came with it and would never refuse anything ordered or asked, now I ask of all of the gungho warmongers, wannabe revolutionists sitting behind their computers who have never put on a uniform on active duty in any capacity to serve their country.... please if you are abled bodied , mentally fit , willing, young enough or old or are still eligible to sign up if you have not served, will you join in and do your duty to fully back up your feelings on this issue?

I hear a lot of the big talkers that will do neither, or if you are already in uniform I applaud and salute you because you are fulfilling your obligations and doing your duty so you will have no choice if this goes down no matter your personal feelings.

The wars we have seen in the last 15-20 years will probably be miniscule in scale to the mess we will all be unwillingly drawn into that can be diverted or avoided, notice how the issue is forced in our faces? almost as we could do nothing or it will be the end if they get the nuke built much less succesfully deploy and detonate one strategically, we hold the keys to be able completely wipe countries off the face of the planet in minutes, if Iran were to launch a nuke, yes that would be terrible, but the answer coming to them will make it their last and they would be assuredly silenced, I do think the threat to Israel is severely overplayed for their own purposes.

I do not feel it necessary to have hundreds or thousands of U.S. service men and women sacrificed for bloodlust, arrogance or pure old world thinking that would draw us into yet another avoidable war, again of the people that support these actions you go do the needful, sign your name on the dotted line give your oath, get your BDU's , jump boots ready to back up your beliefs and put your life on the line without a second thought.

I am glad the President is smart enough to see this for what it is, a weak , desparate attempt to get us to fight yet another countries battles and spill needless American blood over it and have no way out.

Originally posted by ollncasino
Obama Refers to Israel Concern Over Iran as 'Noise'

Good. They are nuts. Look at all the other countries that have nukes and tell me why Iran is more dangerous. Nevermind, dont. Because if you do it will be some stupid youtube video or BS anti muslim site.

Does anyone seriously beleive that Iran is going to take on the rest of the countries around them that have many many nukes?

Insanity...

Originally posted by phinubian
I have served my country with honor signed my name and took on whatever came with it and would never refuse anything ordered or asked, now I ask of all of the gungho warmongers, wannabe revolutionists sitting behind their computers who have never put on a uniform on active duty in any capacity to serve their country.... please if you are abled bodied , mentally fit , willing, young enough or old or are still eligible to sign up if you have not served, will you join in and do your duty to fully back up your feelings on this issue?

I hear a lot of the big talkers that will do neither, or if you are already in uniform I applaud and salute you because you are fulfilling your obligations and doing your duty so you will have no choice if this goes down no matter your personal feelings.

The wars we have seen in the last 15-20 years will probably be miniscule in scale to the mess we will all be unwillingly drawn into that can be diverted or avoided, notice how the issue is forced in our faces? almost as we could do nothing or it will be the end if they get the nuke built much less succesfully deploy and detonate one strategically, we hold the keys to be able completely wipe countries off the face of the planet in minutes, if Iran were to launch a nuke, yes that would be terrible, but the answer coming to them will make it their last and they would be assuredly silenced, I do think the threat to Israel is severely overplayed for their own purposes.

I do not feel it necessary to have hundreds or thousands of U.S. service men and women sacrificed for bloodlust, arrogance or pure old world thinking that would draw us into yet another avoidable war, again of the people that support these actions you go do the needful, sign your name on the dotted line give your oath, get your BDU's , jump boots ready to back up your beliefs and put your life on the line without a second thought.

I am glad the President is smart enough to see this for what it is, a weak , desparate attempt to get us to fight yet another countries battles and spill needless American blood over it and have no way out.

edit on 24-9-2012 by phinubian because: (no reason given)

Amen. I just saw on tv that the state department is saying they dont hate us over there right now, the protests are all about the movie. Who in thier right mind will believe that BS? They hate us alright. We kill innocents on a regular basis and send our condolences. We prop up dictatorships who enslave them. We act like friends and then steal thier resources, while at the same time polluting thier environment.

Oh yeah, they hate us alright. Many of them do. Others hate us for being so stupid in who we choose to lead us. It's a shame because the promise of democracy is to set us free. Now they steal our freedoms and use us againsty others while pursuing riches.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by ollncasino
Obama Refers to Israel Concern Over Iran as 'Noise'

Good. They are nuts. Look at all the other countries that have nukes and tell me why Iran is more dangerous. Nevermind, dont. Because if you do it will be some stupid youtube video or BS anti muslim site.

Does anyone seriously beleive that Iran is going to take on the rest of the countries around them that have many many nukes?

Insanity...

None of those nations are a theocracy with a madman spouting "kill the jews! kill the jews! kill the jews!", barring that, sure why not give them nukes? It ain't like they'd be able to use them without getting obliterated, well maybe if they sent some to their Hezbollah and Hamas buddies they could use 'em via proxy war...

reply to post by ollncasino

It's not throwing them under a bus when they are as at fault for the current situation as Iran.

I can forsee a scenario where a small faction of Iranian military fanatics will launch a salvo of nukes toward Israel. Right after the launch President Ahmadinejad will make a mass broadcast to the U.N., USA, Britain, etc. to say that it was all a mistake and the strike wasn’t ordered by the Iranian government. He’ll plead to please forgive him and his country and that the rogue general responsible for the launch will be investigated and prosecuted accordingly.

In the meantime, Israel gets obliterated and the Western powers will be at a loss as to how to retaliate in a sensible manner.

Iran has been actively threatening Israel for years...that's a bad omen if nothing else.

We Americans have no obligation to go to war for Israel; if Israel wasn't so despicable it wouldn't be so despised by other countries in the region. If Israel and Iran want to fight eachother, let them. Iran isn't threatening America.

reply to post by NosmoKing


I seriously doubt this. If Iran develops nukes, the only person who is going to be able to launch them will be their supreme leader, not their international spokesperson Ahmedinejad. With that being said, let's take paranoia and irrational bias out of the equation and compare the Iran-Israel debacle to the tension between North and South Korea; North Korea is a rogue country with a large nuclear arsenal, yet they still haven't nuked South Korea.

If Iran develops nuclear weapons it will be to prevent other countries from pushing it around; they aren't planning on nuking anybody because as much as the people in power there may hate Israel, they like staying alive and maintaining their position of power more.

reply to post by ollncasino


Honestly, good for him! I don't say that often about Obama... But good for him. The last thing this country needs right now, is military involvement in Iran....The diplomatic approach is the way we should continue going.

It IS noise, coming out of Israel... Because it would be stupid to get involved militarily with Iran. It would anger way too many super powers and cause way too much tension and there is the potential that military involvement could spark a major war that no one in there right mind wants.

That is noise...Diplomacy is what we need and I am glad Obama recognizes that.

Popular or not, that is where I stand.

Peace and love.

DLH

reply to post by charles1952


Axelrod and Jarrett control the Obama Presidency. Both are communists and have communist families. It is not surprising at all really.

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Originally posted by ollncasino
Obama Refers to Israel Concern Over Iran as 'Noise'

Good. They are nuts. Look at all the other countries that have nukes and tell me why Iran is more dangerous.

They have declared as an irrevocable position that they wish to exterminate another nation, and there are no terms for peace.

Even India and Pakistan (who were hours away from nuclear war 12-13 years ago) don't have those kinds of positions.

North Korea doesn't think South Korea should be destroyed, only that their deluded brothers should join the universal worship of the benficient leadership of the Great Kim Chi.

Nevermind, dont. Because if you do it will be some stupid youtube video or BS anti muslim site.

It is only necessary to listen to what their commanders actually say. An observation about radical religious fundamentalists, of all forms. They rarely lie about their goals and desires, because they are so fundamentally convinced about their virtue. Osama bin Laden, may he rest in pain, laid everything out in 1998.

Does anyone seriously beleive that Iran is going to take on the rest of the countries around them that have many many nukes?

Yes, once they have nuclear weapons they and their proxies will attack with non-nuclear weapons.

And, like in North Korea, their leaders will be able to maintain a near-totalitarian tyranny indefinitely.

reply to post by mideast


To hell with them I say.

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus

Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.

Wise words Prof, lets do some History, shall we?

History ) Hitler blamed the Jews for Germany's Economic troubles. Not True
Today ) Israel blames Palestine for the conflict between them. Not true

History ) The Warsaw Ghetto was Humanity at its worst. True
Today ) Gaza fenced in is Humanity at its worst. True

History ) Hitler using the Reichstag Fire (False Flag) to unify Germans against Communist. True
Today ) Netanyahu using Nuclear Iran (False Flag) to unify Nations against Islam . True

Gee Prof, you are right, we can learn from History.

reply to post by Tw0Sides

TwOSides,

I suppose I should let you know that I'm not able to agree with your history points which you brought out in attempt to refute ProfEmeritus.

But what I'd really like to explore is your overarching idea that if Party "A" has done a bad thing, it can be somehow excused by saying "Well, Party "B" did some bad things, too."

What this does is eliminate the possibilty of looking at Party "A's" actions. We are left unable to condemn the bad acts that they have done. And if we can't condemn Party "A's" actions, then, using the same logic we get to the point where we can't condemn Party "B through Z's" actions either. We can't in fact condemn anything at all.

By sticking with your position you will eliminate the concept of "Wrong." That, of course, also eliminates the concept of "Right." You're logic leads, not to an immoral world, but an amoral world.

I'm pretty sure you're not the type of person who wants that. So let's examine these countries one at a time, and condemn the wrong in all of them.

The POTUS is just waiting for the election to clinched. After which we'll see a whole different side of him, I predict. Believe it or not, there aren't enough warnings or counseling that can be given to israel, they seem to be hellbent on starting a major conflict. sola la hace solo la paga - translation, alone you start it & alone you shall pay for it.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by ArtooDetoo

See, this post proves that you are either delusional or just a paid troll.

Ottoman Empire was not an Islamic invasion, they fought wars against Islamic countries aswell for f**k sake.

You got debunked over this in one of your previous posts, so why do you keep spreading this ignorant and meaningless BS over and over again ?

Why ?

Ah. So the Islamic invaders of Southern Europe don't count as Islamic because they also fought at times with other Islamic peoples?

I'm sure the Africans, Indians, Slavs and Spanish and other assorted people's who have had Muslim overlords feel much better in the knowledge that their Islamic conquerors were not really Islamic at all due to the fact that those Muslims sometimes fought each other.

I think I see your logic now. It is very, very special.

Here is another map of Islamic aggression.

As I said, the Islamic world has been at war, on and off, with the West for 1,300 years. The divide between the West and Islam has existed for a long time.

Ottoman Empire was not an Islamic invasion, the purpose of it was not to spread Islam. In fact, religious tolerance was larger than in Roman or Byzantine Empire. The Ottoman Empire often served as a refuge for the persecuted and exiled Jews of Europe, as for example following the expulsion of the Jews from Spain in 1492 by "peacefull" Christians,

Jews and Christians were allowed to practice their religion in the Ottoman Empire, you have many Orthodox churches on the Balkans that were build under the Ottoman rule.

The Christians and the Jews however were obligated to pay a tax to the Ottomans, a practice that originated from Roman and Byzantine Empires, in wich Jews had to pay the so called Fiscus Judaicus or the "Jewish Tax" if you will.


So, stop spreading your lies around here. You have been a member of a site that denies ignorance for 2 years, havent you learned anything ? Oh i forgot, your purpose on here is not to learn but to spread hate and ignorance.

Maybe the POTUS' candor is an outgrowth of the candor expressed in this report www.military.com... ? Heck, I seem to recall that General (Ret.) Shinseki was "thrown under the bus" for contradicting mere "numbers" while giving Congressional testimony about armed conflict with Iraq. Add to that this exercise www.bloomberg.com... and I can't help but think that "thrown under the bus" is hyperbole. Not bad-mannered hyperbole, but hyperbole nonetheless.