posted on Sep, 27 2012 @ 12:47 PM
reply to post by buster2010
First, we are formally allies with Israel.
No we are not formal allies with Israel because we have no treaty with them.
You're right. The third post after I made that statement had
I found out, in another thread, that my facts were wrong on an important point. I have heard Presidents say for years that Israel is our "ally." I
just took it for granted that that meant they were our ally. BUT I WAS WRONG.
Technically, to be an ally there must be a signed mutual defense treaty. We don't have that with Israel. I'm sorry for misleading you. They are
allies only in the sense of being good friends.
It's hard to believe you didn't see it, but I'm perfectly willing to admit my error.
So you think it's fine that they extort money from America? Why should we pay to keep any other country safe?
That's one of the big
jobs of our Defense Department, keeping other countries safe.
You may want to do a little fact checking Israel has only produced 4 Nobel winners. A majority of the Jews who won prizes lived outside Israel.
Israel claims the prize as theirs because the person is Jewish.
There have been two Muslims who have won the Nobel prize for science.
I was talking about Jews and Muslims But, note that Israel's
population is 1/10 of Iran's, let alone all the other Muslim countries. If Israel has produced 4 winners then the Muslim world should have created
over 800. But let's look at one of the two people you're referring to, Adbus Salam.
Salam's life, along with the fate of the 3 million other
Ahmadis in Pakistan, drastically changed in 1974 when parliament amended the constitution to declare that members of the sect were not considered
Muslims under Pakistani law.
Now his name is stricken from school textbooks because he was a member of the Ahmadi sect that has been persecuted by the government and targeted by
Taliban militants, who view them as heretics.
All Pakistani passport applicants must sign a section saying the Ahmadi faith's founder was an "impostor" and his followers are "non-Muslims".
Ahmadis are prevented by law in Pakistan from "posing" as Muslims, declaring their faith publicly, calling their places of worship mosques or
performing the Muslim call to prayer. They can be punished with prison and even death.
Salam was targeted even after his death. His body was returned to Pakistan in 1996 after he died in Oxford, England, and was buried under a gravestone
that read "First Muslim Nobel laureate," but a local magistrate ordered the word "Muslim" to be erased, said Hoodbhoy.
Oh, and he split the
prize with a Jew.
The point is that the leaders of Islam have declared him to be a non-Muslim. I'll take their word for it, it's their religion.