Scott Peterson at the Christian Science Monitor did a useful timeline for dire Israeli and US predictions of an imminent Iranian nuclear weapon, beginning 20 years ago.
1992: Israeli member of parliament Binyamin Netanyahu predicts that Iran was “3 to 5 years” from having a nuclear weapon.
1992: Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres predicts an Iranian nuclear warhead by 1999 to French TV.
1995: The New York Times quotes US and Israeli officials saying that Iran would have the bomb by 2000.
1998: Donald Rumsfeld tells Congress that Iran could have an intercontinental ballistic missile that could hit the US by 2003.
Originally posted by Wide-Eyes
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Actually the OP was mine but the derailment is still true. Tbh, I was easily drawn into derailing my own thread anyway. So your point is correct but you aimed it at the wrong poster...
Here is another map of Islamic aggression.
Originally posted by benrl
... Why didn't we rush to stop NK a country we still technically are at war with? ...
Originally posted by zonetripper2065
reply to post by ollncasino
Good it's about time! Our "friendship" with Israel (like our friendships with many countries) is one sided. The tax payer gives and gives, our young men and women die how is this benefiting us?
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by ollncasino
My worry is more along the lines of how Israel sees us. This is not an isolated incident. Obama has been acting really luke warm at best towards Israel's concerns.
Does this lead Israel to conclude they no longer have to pay any attention to the US, since we're not paying any attention to them? How, practically, do we hold them in check now, if they feel Iran is going to uncork a nuke?
It looks like we're taking ourselves out of the game, and if the only remaining players are Israel and Iran, I don't see how war can be avoided.
And how does Iran see us? If they believe we won't get involved, then what's stopping them from attacking?
Yup, I'm worried.
Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by Wide-Eyes
Ten Facts That Prove that Iran Wants The Bomb
Originally posted by buddhasystem
Originally posted by VictorVonDoom
Once his second term began, FDR did everything he could to get the US attacked, to give us an excuse to enter WW2.
Do you mean to say that FDR instigate Pearl Harbor?
Originally posted by iwilliam
I think to say that obama "threw them under the bus" in pretty biased and lacking basis in reality.
It is more like Israel is about to throw themselves into the street, charging directly at a bus, and Obama is saying "Quit being dramatic.. and if ya get hurt...
Don't come crying to us!"
I'm sorry that the aggressive israel who feel they have a god-given right to kill over land feels that we should be supporting them in a PRE-EMPTIVE strike. Where were they on 9/11? Oh yeah -- busy dancing and cheering. Don't get me wrong -- I don't want Iran to have nukes any more than anyone does. Forget that nonsense. There is only a modest list of countries I'd want LESS to have one. But neither do I want my country to be dragged into a war which could end up epic, global, and possibly nuclear.
I mean, russia pretty much already warned us not to attack iran. Don't they have nukes? China? I say lets worry about the nuclear powers already existing, threatening to mess us up if we do this. Maybe that seems too logical. We're that worried about what happens if Iran suddenly has a few nukes? Okay, then I'll look the other way while the US violates whatever nuclear-proliferation whatever and makes a few thousand new warheads. Really, who's going to find out? (You kids can have as many pop guns as you want, as long as you don't set them off in the house!) Israel got nukes somehow, even though they're not supposed to have them. No one seems to be threatening them with annihilation.
The longer this goes on and the more I follow it, the more it seems like one big, phony, sad game.
And we may all lose, if people don't smarten up.edit on 24-9-2012 by iwilliam because: (no reason given)edit on 24-9-2012 by iwilliam because: (no reason given)
Yes, actually, I am. There are several reasons for that. First, we are formally allies with Israel. We have already shown the world that our allies shouldn't trust us with our actions in Egypt, Libya, and the UK. I think it's important that we try to salvage some reputation for sticking by our friends. Second, I assume they have nukes. That makes Israel important by itself. If they ask for a billion a year to make sure nothing happens in the Mid-East, fine with me.
I can't seem to help but notice YOU seem awfully concerned about Israel.
Nope, never even thought of it. Russia, China, the Norks, Iran, any of those guys are more of a worry to me than Israel.
Are you scared that if we don't play nice with Israel that they will bomb US?