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Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by LeSigh
Originally posted by chizeled
I find this video to be informative that suggests that Simon the Sorcerer from Acts chapter 8 founded the Catholic Church:
Historically, it is affirmed that there was only one Church. Schisms and whatnot are well documented. Acts even records their first ecumenical council. So, just a question for you- If you actually believe that Simon the Sorcerer founded the Catholic Church, then are you one of those that believes in the undocumented secret underground church that didn't come out of hiding until the Great Awakening/Protestant Reformation/insert date of your denomination's founding?
No, God's true church has always been small. The "small flock"; even today God's true church is extreamly small and mocked daily. They are not in hiding, just not accepted for the awesome truth that is revealed through it.
God's true church has existed since Pentecost 31AD through to today. It was never Catholic and it has no part in the protestant reformation.
But it doesn't matter, this is the Day of the Lord, and God will reveal His truth to all in His perfect timing, whether in this age or after 1000 years.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Therefore there is no reason whatso ever that any Godly service should be conduted on the day of the week dedicated to Sun god worship (Sunday) except the authority of the Catholic Church
If you think that God cares what day you go to church, I think that you've missed the point of Christ and his teachings.
If you think the only sign/mark/symbol God says in His own words in scripture is false, then you call God's word a liar.
"If you love me, keep my commandments".. "the words I give are not mine, but of my Father in Heaven"
God commands the observance of His weekly Sabbath as the only sign/mark/symbol that you live the laws of God. This is God's words not mine.
I don't know, this guy thinks that's not the case, you're welcome to go argue with him. I stand by my earlier statement -- you denigrate Christ when you teach that salvation is about what day you go to church.
Originally posted by adjensen
So, you're one of these guys? Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God
Weinland seems to think that the end is coming next year, not in 1000 years.
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by ElohimJD
The "command" was to REMEMBER the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of rest. Furthermore, it must be observed on a 360 day lunar calendar. If you're using the 365 day Gregorian calendar and thinking every Saturday is the "Sabbath" you are quite off.
Every 7th day is the Sabbath since the re-creation of this planet for mankind, regarless of the number of 7 day weeks that are counted in a year. 7 days by 7 days, Sabbath by Sabbath. Every 7th day is still a Saturday whether using a 360 day count or 365.
Only the number of Sabbaths in a given year would be effected by this change, not the day of the week.
God Bless,edit on 21-9-2012 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ElohimJD
reply to post by LeSigh
So your earlier questions were not really inquizitive, but rather debative. I though you genuinely wanted to understand these things, but you do not. Only to find fault and lift up conviction of your beliefs outside of scripture.
Passover is the 14th of Abib in the Hebrew calender and falls on a different day of the week every year, if you are observing it in obedience to God's scriptures. If you keep it after sunset on a Saturday every year, you are not in obedience to God's laws regarding it's keeping.
If you really want to know God's truth ask a genuine question with a willingness to learn (humility) and let the response lead you to God's word not mine, if you wanted to find fault and convict yourself of your rightness, I will not continue this discussion with you.
God Bless,edit on 21-9-2012 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by ElohimJD
The "command" was to REMEMBER the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of rest. Furthermore, it must be observed on a 360 day lunar calendar. If you're using the 365 day Gregorian calendar and thinking every Saturday is the "Sabbath" you are quite off.
Every 7th day is the Sabbath since the re-creation of this planet for mankind, regarless of the number of 7 day weeks that are counted in a year. 7 days by 7 days, Sabbath by Sabbath. Every 7th day is still a Saturday whether using a 360 day count or 365.
Only the number of Sabbaths in a given year would be effected by this change, not the day of the week.
God Bless,edit on 21-9-2012 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
Your math is off. Every year you would be off by 2 days. Multiply that by how many years the western world has been using the Gregorian calendar.
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by adjensen
So, you're one of these guys? Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God
Weinland seems to think that the end is coming next year, not in 1000 years.
Yes I am a member of God's true church, and Ron Weinland is the pastor of it, and the end of mankind's self rule is on Pentecost of next year.
Originally posted by LeSigh
Originally posted by ElohimJD
reply to post by LeSigh
So your earlier questions were not really inquizitive, but rather debative. I though you genuinely wanted to understand these things, but you do not. Only to find fault and lift up conviction of your beliefs outside of scripture.
Passover is the 14th of Abib in the Hebrew calender and falls on a different day of the week every year, if you are observing it in obedience to God's scriptures. If you keep it after sunset on a Saturday every year, you are not in obedience to God's laws regarding it's keeping.
If you really want to know God's truth ask a genuine question with a willingness to learn (humility) and let the response lead you to God's word not mine, if you wanted to find fault and convict yourself of your rightness, I will not continue this discussion with you.
God Bless,edit on 21-9-2012 by ElohimJD because: (no reason given)
I wanted to know where you were coming from. However, your information about other groups and what we believe is just plain wrong. You need correcting for your faulty information. What the Church does is based on scripture. Ignoring what you're told about what Apostolic churches believe (by those in said churches) to insist that you're right and we're wrong is madness. I know what I believe and why I believe it. I know what my Church teaches. You don't have to believe it with me, but you're disagreeing with positions we just don't hold.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by ElohimJD
Originally posted by adjensen
So, you're one of these guys? Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God
Weinland seems to think that the end is coming next year, not in 1000 years.
Yes I am a member of God's true church, and Ron Weinland is the pastor of it, and the end of mankind's self rule is on Pentecost of next year.
Just curious, what's the contingency plan if that doesn't happen? There was some obvious "goal post moving" last May when this prophecy didn't come to pass, but how many more times can that happen? I also note that Weinland is due to be sentenced for tax evasion at the end of next month, how does that play into his beliefs?
Sorry, there are way too many red flags with your church to lead me to believe that it's anything other than an offshoot of Armstrong's breakaway Seventh Day Adventist sect. Everyone thinks that they belong to the "true church", but there's probably no such thing.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by ElohimJD
My logic isn't off whatsoever. When the calendar changed from a lunar to a 365 day Gregorian the "Sabbath" was off, to the tune of 5 days per year, or two days however you wish to approach the discrepancy. I mean no offense, but math isn't a strong suit is it?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by ElohimJD
My logic isn't off whatsoever. When the calendar changed from a lunar to a 365 day Gregorian the "Sabbath" was off, to the tune of 5 days per year, or two days however you wish to approach the discrepancy. I mean no offense, but math isn't a strong suit is it?
reply to post by charles1952
You may disagree with the Church, millions and millions have. But honestly, I'm worried about the degree of hatred you're showing. It's almost as though you've been looking at one idea or event over, and over, and over, until it's filled your mind, leaving no room for anything else.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by charles1952
You may disagree with the Church, millions and millions have. But honestly, I'm worried about the degree of hatred you're showing. It's almost as though you've been looking at one idea or event over, and over, and over, until it's filled your mind, leaving no room for anything else.
I started reading the posts on this thread on page 1, and was just about to dismiss this as another hate thread, when I came upon your two posts on the first page,and it renewed my belief that there still are good people that aren't filled with ignorance and hatred. Thanks, my friend, for restoring my faith in humanity.
Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Lovely, hate filled title, JG. I know you are smart enough to know their point was that they stand with Catholics in defense of our First Amendment freedom of religions rights that are being stripped away.
You choose to rant against the catholic faith while our Constitution is getting dismantled.