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Originally posted by EvenParanoidsHaveEnemies
The amount of hate and confused incorrect information about the Catholic Church and the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) spewed in the title of this thread and on the first page alone is enough to make me actually worried about the OP. It seems like a conspiracy theorist who has jumped the shark and gone WAY PAST the tinfoil hat stage into a stage that seems a little dangerous actually.
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
Exterminates 3 nations...Rome will concede to it...Political & religious in one...Will reside on 7 hills...Rules for 1260 years...Will receive mortal wound...Mortal wound will heal...Was, is not, yet is...Will blaspheme...Will expect worship...Dark Sentences...Says Jesus had not flesh...Craftiness and deceit...Preaches another Jesus...666 the number of a man...Will hate the Bible...Will kill Christians...All wonder after him...Will embrace Babylon...Will join with all kings...Will mock Jesus...No desire for women...Beast forces Christians into hiding for 1260 years...Will be a mother church...Try's changing times & law
link to all the bible verses and who they have been fulfilled
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
This topic is relevant because it is the Vatican objective to dismantle the constitution
The Concordat brought to the national-socialist government, considered nearly everywhere to be made up of usurpers, if not brigands, the seal of an agreement with the oldest international power (the Vatican). In a way, it was the equivalent of a diploma of international honorability.
source: Le catholicisme politique en Allemagne, Paris 1956, p.231, Ed. du Seuil.
“Empire and church is a series of writings which should help the building up of the third Reich as it unites a national-socialist State to Catholic-Christianity… “Entirely German and entirely Catholic, these writings explore and favor relations and meetings between the Catholic Church and national-socialism; they open the way for a fruitful cooperation, as outlined in the Concordat… “The national-socialist movement is the most vigorous and massive protest against the spirit of the 19th and 20th centuries… The idea of a people of one blood is the focal point of its teachings and all Catholics who obey the instructions of the German bishops will have to admit that this is so… The laws of national-socialism and those of the Catholic Church have the same aim…”
source: Begegnungen zwischen Katholischem Christentum und nazional-sozialistischer Weltanschauung Aschendorff, Munster 1933.
The memory of Pius XII is surrounded with misgiving. First of all, there is this burning question asked by observers from every nation, and even within the walls of the Vatican: Did he know of certain atrocities committed during this war, started and led by Hitler?
Having at his disposition at all times, and from every quarter, the regular reports from the bishops... could he ignore what the German military heads could never pretend to: the tragedy of the concentration camps—the civilians condemned to deportation—the cold-blooded massacres of those who ‘stood in the way’—the terror of the gas chambers where, for administrative reasons, millions of Jews were exterminated? And if he knew about it why didn’t he, as trustee and first chorister of the Gospel, come out dressed in white, arms extended in the shape of the cross, to denounce a crime without precedent, to shout: No!?…
Pious souls will search in vain encyclical letters, speeches and addresses of the late pope; there is no trace of any condemnation of this ‘religion of blood’ instituted by Hitler, this Antichrist… they will not find the condemnation of racism, which is an obvious contradiction to the Catholic dogma.
source: “Rome en confidence” (Grasset, Paris 1962, p.91ff).
“The very concise book of Guenter Lewy: “The Catholic Church and Nazi Germany” (New York McGrawhill-1964) says that all the documents agree to show the Catholic Church cooperating with the Hitler regime… In July 1933, when the Concordat forced the bishops to swear an oath of allegiance to the Nazi government, the concentration camps were already open… the reading of quotations compiled by Guenter Lewy proves this overwhelmingly. We find in them some crushing evidence from personalities such as Cardinal Faulhaber and the Jesuit Gustav Gundlach.”
source: Saul Friedlander: “Pie XII et le IIIe Reich”, (Ed. du Seuil, Paris 1964).
The pope’s hands are dripping with blood.
Speech by Laura Diaz, member of parliament for Livourne, delivered at Ortona on the 15th of April 1946
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
This topic is relevant because it is the Vatican objective to dismantle the constitution
Where has the Vatican stated that its goal is to dismantle the Constitution? They're the ones who are relying on it to try and end the HHS persecution of the church, as we speak.
The Congress of Vienna was a black conspiracy against Popular Governments at which the ‘high contracting parties’ announced at its close that they had formed a ‘holy alliance.’ This was a cloak under which they masked to deceive the people. The particular business of the Congress of Verona, it developed, was the RATIFICATION of Article Six of the Congress of Vienna, which was in short, a promise to prevent or destroy Popular Governments wherever found, and to reestablish monarchy where it had been set aside.
The ‘high contracting parties’ of this compact, which were Russia, Prussia, [Germany], Austria, and Pope Pius VII, king of the Papal States, entered into a secret treaty to do so. —
Burke McCarty, The Suppressed Truth About the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, Arya Varta Publishing, 1924, p. 7.
The Holy Alliance having destroyed popular government in Spain, and in Italy, had well-laid plans also to destroy popular government in the American Colonies which had revolted from Spain and Portugal in Central and South America under the influence of the successful example of the United States.
It was because of this conspiracy against the American Republics by the European monarchies that the great English statesman, Canning, called the attention of our government to it. — Ibid. pp. 9, 10.
The sovereigns of the ‘Holy Alliance’ had massed large armies, and soon entered into a pledge to devote them to the suppression of all uprisings of the people in favor of free government; and he [Pope Pius VII] desired to devote the Jesuits, supported by his pontifical power, to the accomplishment of that end. He knew how faithfully they would apply themselves to that work, and hence he counseled them, in his decree of restoration, to strictly observe the ‘useful advices and salutary counsels’ whereby Loyola had made absolution the cornerstone of the society. —
R.W. Thompson, The Footprints of the Jesuits, Hunt and Eaton, 1894, p. 251.
The author undertakes to show that a conspiracy against the liberties of this Republic is now in full action, under the direction of the wily Prince Metternich of Austria, who knowing the impossibility of obliterating this troublesome example of a great and free nation by force of arms, is attempting to accomplish his object through the agency of an army of Jesuits. The array of facts and arguments going to prove the existence of such a conspiracy, will astonish any man who opens the book with the same incredulity as we did. —
Samuel B. Morse, Foreign Conspiracy Against the Liberties of the United States, Crocker and Brewster, 1835, Preface.
Shall we not have regular swarms of them here, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies can assume, dressed as painters, publishers, writers and schoolmasters? If ever there was a body of men who merited eternal damnation on earth and in hell it is this Society of Loyola’s [the Jesuits]. — George Reimer, The New Jesuits, Little, Brown, and Co., 1971, p. 14.
In 1825, some eleven years after the revival of the Jesuit Order, a secret meeting of leading Jesuits was held at their College of Chieri near Turin, in Northern Italy. At that gathering, plans were discussed for the advancement of Papal power, world-wide, for the destabilizing of governments who stood in the way and for the crushing of all opposition to Jesuit schemes and ambitions… “What we aim at, is the Empire of the World…
“We must give them [the great men of earth] to understand that the cause of evil, the bad leaven, will remain as long as Protestantism shall exist, that Protestantism must therefore be utterly abolished… Heretics are the enemies that we are bound to exterminate…
“Then the Bible that serpent which with head erect and eyes flashing threatens us with its venom while it trails along the ground, shall be changed into a rod as soon as we are able to seize it.”
Hector Macpherson, The Jesuits in History, Ozark Book Publishers, 1997, appendix.
It was because of this conspiracy against the American Republics by the European monarchies that the great English statesman Canning, called the attention of our government to it, and our statesmen then, including Thomas Jefferson, who was still living at that time, took an active part to bring about the declaration by President Monroe in his next annual message to the Congress of the United States that the United States would regard it as an act of hostility to the government of the United States and an unfriendly act, if this coalition, or if any power of Europe ever undertook to establish upon the American continent any control of any American republic, or to acquire any territorial rights.
This is the so-called Monroe Doctrine. The threat under the secret treaty of Verona to suppress popular government in the American republics is the basis of the Monroe Doctrine. This secret treaty sets forth clearly the conflict between monarchial government and popular government, and the government of the few as against the government of the many.
Burke McCarty, The Suppressed Truth About the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln, page 10.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Why don't you have anything to say about Islam considering many of the 33 Biblical titles for the antichrist are Muslim, and the nations Jesus judges and destoys in Joel 3 are Muslim?
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Why don't you have anything to say about Islam considering many of the 33 Biblical titles for the antichrist are Muslim, and the nations Jesus judges and destoys in Joel 3 are Muslim?
This thread is about the Vatican agenda over America and the world, media compliance and mind control....I have enough complicated topics to deal with as it is and questions to field. The Vatican fulfills ALL descriptions, Islam does not (there are however factions and individuals in Islam working closely with the Papacy in alliance).edit on 23-9-2012 by JesuitGarlic because: (no reason given)
Where did they get their information? What are their sources? Are they verified? I'd bet not. I'd love to see you provide that sort of evidence. Because, I'm telling you, if even one references Jack Chick, Geraldo Rivera (a known con man)
Originally posted by adjensen
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
So your "evidence" is a bunch of claims, some clearly simple paranoia, from over a hundred years ago?
I'll take today's reality, rather than 19th century delusions, thank you very much.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
What is today's reality...? Do you have any idea what is going on in the world? Do you bother to even check out claims or just live in complacent bliss
The supposed HHS persecution of the church is merely a game being played out by the political parties and the media to build Catholic support as the final stages of America sovereignty sinks into Vatican control.
“The lasting victory of the Jewish-Freemasonic and Jewish Communist revolution since the end of the 18th century up to our days is…to be attributed to that neither the Holy Catholic Church nor the separated Churches have fought effectively against the ‘Jewish Fifth Column,’ which has smuggled itself into their bosom.
“This ‘Fifth column’ is formed by the descendants of the Jews who in earlier centuries were converted to Christianity and seemingly held in enthusiastic manner to the religion of Christ, while in secret they preserved their Jewish belief and carried out clandestinely the Jewish rites and ceremonies. For this purpose they organized themselves into communities and secret synagogues, which were active centuries-long in secret. These apparent Christians, but secret Jews, began centuries ago to infiltrate the Christian society, in order to attempt to control it from within. For this reason they sowed false doctrine and differences of opinion and even attempted to gain control of the clergy in the different churches of Christ. With all this, they applied the cunning of introducing crypto-Jewish Christians into the seminaries of the priesthood, who could gain admission into the honorary offices in the Holy Catholic Church and then into the dissident churches, upon whose division these secret Jews had so much influence.” (The Plot Against the Church, pp. 235-36)
That really doesn't explain why all the nations Christ judges and destroys when He returns are all Muslim. Not one is in Western Europe (Joel 3). And several of the antichrist's 33 titles in the Bible are Muslim. Islam is also the only folks who behead people who do not convert and they deny the Trinity and the Sonship of the Lord Jesus Christ. I think you can comment on those points.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Everyone with half a brain knows Sunday isn't the Sabbath. No order from the pope will make Sunday the Sabbath.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by NOTurTypical
That really doesn't explain why all the nations Christ judges and destroys when He returns are all Muslim. Not one is in Western Europe (Joel 3). And several of the antichrist's 33 titles in the Bible are Muslim. Islam is also the only folks who behead people who do not convert and they deny the Trinity and the Sonship of the Lord Jesus Christ. I think you can comment on those points.
I don't hold your view of Judgement understanding....your interpretation of Joel does not mesh with the order of events and who receives God's Judgement in Revelation Chapter 20 (all those not in the 'book of life' in every part of the world). If their is a contradiction in the verses it is because a wrong approach is being taken to understand them.
There are many key characteristics in the 33 odd that are Vatican specific (to the exclusion of Islam)....things like the 1260 years and the changing of times and law make it pretty obvious just from those.
Perhaps you have not read on the history of the RCC in Croatia during WW2 (and the RCC during the dark ages)....they most certainly tortured people to death to seeking for them to convert.
I am not going to judge Islam for their view on the Trinity or the Sonship of Jesus if it is not properly outlined in their own scriptures. God only judges people based on what they know (and winks at their ignorance).
I am likely to put out a friendly post about the children of Ishmael and Isaac to seek better relations according to the joint beliefs of their patriarch Abraham in the next few weeks based on some information I have come across in the last couple of weeks which should turn out to be a fruitful task.
The way that Obama played weak so that Romney could actually appear stronger and smarter during the debate supports my theory that the nwo wants to replace Obama with Romney in order to free Obama up to play the part of the Mahdi. With Obama playing the part of the antichrist then the Vatican can traipse out its Christ impersonator/False Prophet to walk alongside the Mahdi to make it appear as though Obama fulfills Islamic prophecies (as previously discussed on page 1 of this thread).
Originally posted by chizeled
reply to post by charles1952
It seems as though the nwo wants to replace Obama with Romney in order to, imo, free Obama up to play the part of the Mahdi...
Therefore, there is no reason to weep and mourn for Rome if it goes up in smoke according to Revelations 18. The interesting part about it is that Islam will probably be responsible for nuking the Vatican. The Vatican will fall into the pit that it has dug for Islam...now that's what you call poetic justice; the fruit of the Vatican's taqiyya begets the fruit of Islam's taqiyya.
The Vatican notes, that they will approve of this new world order as long as all of her doctrines and dogmas are accepted into the world religion to come with it... link