Originally posted by apushforenlightment
Originally posted by TheGreatDivider
Originally posted by MamaJ
Why do fear Jesus is not God, but our brother? He, like you have incarnated more than once. Im not trying to fool you in the least! We are ALL sons
and daughters of God!
We are NOT all sons of God. The Bible clearly states:
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.
You must first believe and receive Him to get the right to become His children.
From my point of view. She is right that ALL will get it in the end. And you are right that ALL do not know they are so called "children" of god
(children is really a lie because it is to simplistic of a description of what we are to god but it can work as an anology).
MamaJ: I am sending the same message back to you.
Just because John tells it is so does not make it so, or from my point of view, John is simplyfying it to such a degree that it becomes a lie for most
human interactions with god. And frankly it is not up to John to make any rule about how god and the soul that is connecting to each other should do
I wouldn't say John simplifies anything. If anything i'd say he is quite open and honest about what he means. In fact Jesus also alludes to not
everyone being children of God.
31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the
truth shall make you free.”
33 They answered Him, “We are Abraham’s descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can You say, ‘You will be made free’?”
34 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever,
but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s
37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My
Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the
truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent
Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of
your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a
lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you
convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because
you are not of God.”
If you turn away from the Word of God then you are not God's children. Creation perhaps but no child of God. This is why Jesus makes such
distinctions between those who believe in him, believe
him and follow him. Those who do not, are not his. The next question is, how do you hear