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reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 07:43 AM by fenceSitter
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I agree that it seems like we are at a tipping point, or more likely already past it. Get ready for the anti-climate change posts to start rolling in with the whole 'natural earth cycle' arguments. While I know that Earth does go through regular cycles, we must be doing something that is accelerating climate change. It really doesn't have to be one or the other - it is both.

I don't get this argument sometimes. Seems like a lot of people refuse to accept responsibility for what we are doing to the planet, but then again refusing to accept responsibility seems to be a common occurrence in today's society!


reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 07:50 AM by winofiend
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It certainly is. I too find it an odd situation that we're responsible for pumping out massive amounts of toxic pollution into the very air we breathe, yet some people raise their eyebrow and point fingers claiming it's all a lie, and that it's best if we just get used to wearing shorts in winter.

Regardless if it is man caused, man helped or completely natural, as a species we must either get off the road OR get run over. It's almost as if the people who have a jolly good old belly laugh about how deluded people who think climate change is real are, think that for some reason the Earth owes them a life. She'll be right maaate, mother nature loves us. We're HUMAN after all, not some measly pesky animal and boy aren't they tasty to eat!

I envision a huge dam wall, springing leaks everywhere, with a handful of people poking their fingers in the leaks, all the while behind them some fat pig sits dripping with sweat, eating out of a bucket of swill and snorting "Fools, fools all of them." while trying to keep his alligator shoes out of the puddles.
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reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 07:50 AM by doubledutch
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Hi - I dont dispute the cyclical nature of our environment at all, I agree with it. I totally accept it's happened before and will again.

The point I think here is really that this is happening now, this feels like proper, big change. Just because it's happened before doesn't mean it's going to be any easier for us to ride it out. The more of this stuff I read about the closer I get to going and buying in a whole load of supplies and preparing for some serous white knuckle ride s**t

I think the next couple of years could be pretty crazy... but then again maybe things will balance out. we will see I guess


reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 08:01 AM by winofiend
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O I dunno, but pointing guns at people happens all the time too.

I guess we should just say it happens and get shot.

*Waiter, Cheque please*


reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 08:05 AM by doubledutch
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Hi - did you not read my second post?

I dont dis agree with you, that doesnt mean it wont be a rough ride!

These changes are happening and will get worse, that's my point. Just because its happened before doesn't mean it wont have huge implications on our lives now, and our children's lives and their children's lives..

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reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 08:27 AM by MamaJ
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Op thank you for bringing this to light. Please feel free to come over here www.abovetopsecret.com... and link to your thread with the information too.

It's most appreciated!

This is real and will have an effect on us all!

There is no debate, climate change is being felt world wide!


reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 02:02 PM by Dustytoad
Originally posted by fenceSitter

Of course everything has a natural cycle of events but they happen on scales of thousands of years. The changes we are seeing in decades should be happening over centuries. Climate change (whether natural or man-made) will have a massive impact on our way of life.


How do you know the scale of changes??

I have a proposition for you. What if the "great flood" was a Very quick melting of the ice from about 12,000 years ago?

What if Energy is being added into the system? Volcanoes and Earthquakes seem to be increasing. What if that Energy Cloud the solar system has just entered has... wait for it... ENERGY.. Add energy = Movement = Heat..

The fourth or was it fifth world that was destroyed by water? The next is said to be destroyed by Fire.

I don't like pollution though so lets get rid of that, but you guys are missing the point. Carbon Dioxide Started Life here, and when carbon dioxide levels get really high it's time for plants to Rule, and then Oxygen Levels get very high which then means higher energy and much Bigger animals can live ie Dinosaurs..

I havn't seen any good proof that humans are to blame for the warming. All everyone thinks is that now we are producing all this carbondioxide and also now temperature is rising.. That is NOT proof. Other things are happening right now as well. I have looked for the proof but all they prove is global warming, NOT, man made global warming.

We are not looking at ONE cycle. the cycle of the whole solar system spinning around the galaxy means that HUGE changes can happen when we get to different points in space. We are traveling like what 66,000 miles an hour already relative to the solar system. Add on the speed of the Solar system itself and we can get into other areas quite quickly..

Plant some trees if you are so worried. Paint the top of your house white.. Don't drive your car, or mow your grass. Careful if you breathe too. Shut off all the electricity in the US.. Or build a 1,000 more nuclear plants inside the US. Stop using all metals especially steel and Aluminum. Don't use plastic. Don't by any manufactured items or Anything from china. Blow up society. Tax everyone, make them your slaves. When you get cold don't burn any wood or oil or gas.. In fact fire should be illegal. Don't use any paper products we need those trees ya know. Get off your computer. Stop reading my words you are burning coal by reading this. We have gone too far and the only solution would be to stop all society and let 6 billion die. then clean up.. That's the alternative to continuing on the same path and killing us off later. It's one or the other, truly.

By the way if we were causing global warming I would expect to see rain being much more acidic these days. You know the relation here right?

The Earth doesn't care about climate change. It will continue on for many more cycles of human destruction. I don't think people understood what the show "LOST" was about. The Island is Earth. The dark guy and the blond guy the brothers one "evil" one "good".. They were talking as the next batch of humans began again on earth.(a boat comes to the island)
"here they come"
"all they do is cause destruction and chaos. it's the same everytime."
"but everytime it gets a little bit better."
"they still always destroy everything, so what's the point?"
"progress"


Back to the point about the energy... We are in for one Hell of a ride.. I am here to survive. Or I am here to finish paying the price of life.. It's ok though. Life isn't the only game in town.
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reply posted on 7-9-2012 @ 02:58 PM by VaterOrlaag
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Prove that there are cycles.

This is another method that deniers use to well, deny any form of climate change.
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