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posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Had he given those packages to the American people it would have been roughly $10,000.00 for every man, woman and child which would have been spent promptly (I guarantee it) and would have actually stimulated the economy as it would have given consumers more spending potential not to mention 300,000,000 possible down payments or avoided foreclosures.


I was saying that very thing, back when the bailouts first started. I was against them but if I had received a check for 10,000, I woudln't have sent it back. I would have immediately paid off my two credit debts and put the rest towards my second mortgage. So the way I see it, that money would have bailed me out and the money would have ultimately ended up in the bankers' hands anyway.
Even if I wasn't responsible and just blew that 10K, it still would have been money back in the economy.




posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by DaMod
reply to post by thepresident
 


Perhaps people don't want to work at McDonalds instead of acquiring a higher paying skilled labor job.

Of course if creating minimum wage jobs is your idea of "Job Creation" I think you need to step back and check yourself.


Minimum wage jobs is the desire of Oligarchs and Corporatist.

I am neither



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
reply to post by DaMod
 





Had he given those packages to the American people it would have been roughly $10,000.00 for every man, woman and child which would have been spent promptly (I guarantee it) and would have actually stimulated the economy as it would have given consumers more spending potential not to mention 300,000,000 possible down payments or avoided foreclosures.


I was saying that very thing, back when the bailouts first started. I was against them but if I had received a check for 10,000, I woudln't have sent it back. I would have immediately paid off my two credit debts and put the rest towards my second mortgage. So the way I see it, that money would have bailed me out and the money would have ultimately ended up in the bankers' hands anyway.
Even if I wasn't responsible and just blew that 10K, it still would have been money back in the economy.


I agree with both of you,

The economy would have been stimulated, flooded with liquidity and it would have gone back to
the people who created it.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
 


If you were to pay attention to last nights 'acceptance speech' by Øbama ... the man used the same words he used in his 2008 speech as a candidate...

" i propose that we the target the Industrial sector to create 1 Million new jobs"

we know how that expansion went....
he Gov't redefined Industrial Work as including the act of 'building a burger' so that putting a slice of cheese on a burger is counted as a factory/industrial process & the person doing that task is considered an Engineer-of-sorts.

Just that kind of crap is why i totally disagree with the Øbama vision of a recovered America... while the term USA is is thrown away by the Øbama administration handlers because the United States is a different animal than the (Federalist) America that the Øbama progressives always focus upon~~ there is a very definite difference between USA & America, you the readers need to understand that Øbama's vision of power/recovery/etc is being directed to his seat of power as the American leader not the leader of the USA which is run by the Congress as the law-makers



One thing of note in the speech last night was the 'suggestion' that the wind-down of the Afghanistan war will lead directly into a major expansion of rebuilding the infrastructure (roads/bridges/runways/etc) Just like he promised in 2008-09...same lame promises being repeated in his 2012 nomination acceptance speech...ho-humm


....didn't the last Øbama 'stimulus' focus on the rebuilding of the infrastructure...and specifically the 'shovel ready projects' to get America to work...
notice that the shovel-ready-projects did not help the USA unemployed
but helped the big businesses to the tune of $800Billion and of course himself...this is a clue as to what he means about helping America...instead of the USA working population


smell the coffee yet ?
perhaps when the schools start teaching ShariaLaws we wll wake up



edit on 7-9-2012 by St Udio because: (no reason given)


Yet, the alternative political vision will be sought out by this man





Oh course many still believe that giving BANKS tax cuts

And ending affordable funding for higher eduction will create

better jobs...

Ho Hummm

(Shiria Law??? )

Really?

edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by crawdad1914
No offense to the OP nor anyone here trying to educate the un-educatable:

Cant believe people are still responding in this thread. The premise of the thread is like something out of the twilight zone.


Yes, if you will see, the majority of people responded to positive data with negativity.

That is the underlying premise of the thread, sorry you missed it

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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bogus number - taxes out - less economy.
more taxes the worse the economy.
less taxes more economy.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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Apparently, the dumbing down of the population proceeds apace. Now they cannot even add two plus two.

Let's see, over 300,000 BABIES are born each month.

Over 100,000 LEGAL immigrants POUR IN each month. Legal. Pay no attention to that, listen to the TV scream about the tiny amount of ILLEGAL immigrants, while ignoring the FACT that the US now allows more immigrants to pour in than the WHOLE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. Why?

So, let's see....we'd have to have over FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND jobs "created" each month. Just to break even.

Meanwhile, we get the BS stats of 100 thousand McJobs "created", while ignoring the over 250 thousand new jobless claims PER WEEK.

ONE MILLION new jobless claims, minus 100 thousand McJobs, plus 400 thousand new people rushing in.

Edit: Oh wait, I'm not counting the death rate. So minus 200 thousand deaths. Still.

Looks good.

The stupid, it BURNS.
edit on 7-9-2012 by CaptChaos because: death rate



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by crawdad1914
No offense to the OP nor anyone here trying to educate the un-educatable:

Cant believe people are still responding in this thread. The premise of the thread is like something out of the twilight zone.


Yes, if you will see, the majority of people responded to positive data with negativity.

That is the underlying premise of the thread, sorry you missed it

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The metaphor "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind. You cant dress it up. Thinking people will react negatively when the assumption is made that they cant see through BS.
Especially such easily refutable BS.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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I was unaware that babies are considered a part of the
Work force. I am happy to find out that people never die
Or retire. Too bad immigrants don't work off if the radar.


edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


I was unaware that babies are considered a part of the
Work force. I am happy to find out that people never die
Or retire. Too bad immigrants don't work off if the radar.


edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)


You're right. You shouldn't count new people being born. They never grow up and enter the workforce. There are none that were born twenty years ago now unemployed.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Birth rate: Four million per year. www.infoplease.com...

Death rate: Two and a half million per year. www.cdc.gov...

LEGAL immigration rate: One point four million per year: www.dhs.gov...

en.wikipedia.org...

McJob "creation": 200 thousand per month (HA) 12 months = 2.4 million per year.

Hmm. Something doesn't seem to add up. I'm sure you need a calculator for this one.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by CaptChaos

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


I was unaware that babies are considered a part of the
Work force. I am happy to find out that people never die
Or retire. Too bad immigrants don't work off if the radar.


edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)


You're right. You shouldn't count new people being born. They never grow up and enter the workforce. There are none that were born twenty years ago now unemployed.


And the economy doesn't fluctuate in the course of 20 years either.

Everything that is going to remain the same for two decades.


It does burn BTW



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by CaptChaos

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


I was unaware that babies are considered a part of the
Work force. I am happy to find out that people never die
Or retire. Too bad immigrants don't work off if the radar.


edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)


You're right. You shouldn't count new people being born. They never grow up and enter the workforce. There are none that were born twenty years ago now unemployed.


And the economy doesn't fluctuate in the course of 20 years either.

Everything that is going to remain the same for two decades.


It does burn BTW


just give up, you lost every argument here and no one has backed you up. Obama economics, aka blow trillions of dollars, is a fail



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by crawdad1914

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by crawdad1914
No offense to the OP nor anyone here trying to educate the un-educatable:

Cant believe people are still responding in this thread. The premise of the thread is like something out of the twilight zone.


Yes, if you will see, the majority of people responded to positive data with negativity.

That is the underlying premise of the thread, sorry you missed it

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The metaphor "lipstick on a pig" comes to mind. You cant dress it up. Thinking people will react negatively when the assumption is made that they cant see through BS.
Especially such easily refutable BS.


The assumption is actually that all of you will consider anything is BS, even when it is positive
data being presented.

I will post some more positive data and watch again as people try to deride the data/information
in order to create a negative narrative.

Watch it happen again.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by CaptChaos

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


I was unaware that babies are considered a part of the
Work force. I am happy to find out that people never die
Or retire. Too bad immigrants don't work off if the radar.


edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)


You're right. You shouldn't count new people being born. They never grow up and enter the workforce. There are none that were born twenty years ago now unemployed.


And the economy doesn't fluctuate in the course of 20 years either.

Everything that is going to remain the same for two decades.


It does burn BTW


just give up, you lost every argument here and no one has backed you up. Obama economics, aka blow trillions of dollars, is a fail


No one has backed me up because nobody wants to mauled


They know exactly what I did and all of you have responded in the most predictable
fashion. Plus most people don't usually design a fight on purpose.

This is not a thread about economics, it is a thread about sociology.

You must protect the negative narrative because it is vital to your desired political whims.

If America were improving it would make your story appear wrong and it would improve
the chances of Obama getting reelected and vindicate "progressivism".

You guys know that and so do I.

Wanna see me do it again?



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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But see that's what I'm saying (and have been saying since the first stimulus package)

That is really the only way to put the money directly into the economy.. Give it to Americans and let them spend it..



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by DaMod
reply to post by thepresident
 


But see that's what I'm saying (and have been saying since the first stimulus package)

That is really the only way to put the money directly into the economy.. Give it to Americans and let them spend it..


That is pretty socialistic...


But I agree, it was a huge mistake and a massive pile of corruption.

Too bad you were not the president.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Man I think you'll find even fewer Romney supporters here than Obama supporters.

I'm pretty sure the general consensus is they are both equally as horrible choices.

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Well I didn't support the stimulus packages to begin with but if you're going to go through with them, then really that's the only way to make them work.. Otherwise you're just giving already rich people free money and where does that money go? Into an already large account (or in this case several) never to be seen or heard from again.
edit on 7-9-2012 by DaMod because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by thepresident

Originally posted by CaptChaos

Originally posted by thepresident
reply to post by CaptChaos
 


I was unaware that babies are considered a part of the
Work force. I am happy to find out that people never die
Or retire. Too bad immigrants don't work off if the radar.


edit on 7-9-2012 by thepresident because: (no reason given)


You're right. You shouldn't count new people being born. They never grow up and enter the workforce. There are none that were born twenty years ago now unemployed.


And the economy doesn't fluctuate in the course of 20 years either.

Everything that is going to remain the same for two decades.


It does burn BTW


just give up, you lost every argument here and no one has backed you up. Obama economics, aka blow trillions of dollars, is a fail


No one has backed me up because nobody wants to mauled


They know exactly what I did and all of you have responded in the most predictable
fashion. Plus most people don't usually design a fight on purpose.

This is not a thread about economics, it is a thread about sociology.

You must protect the negative narrative because it is vital to your desired political whims.

If America were improving it would make your story appear wrong and it would improve
the chances of Obama getting reelected and vindicate "progressivism".

You guys know that and so do I.

Wanna see me do it again?




I like you. You have balls, I will give you that.



posted on Sep, 7 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by DaMod
reply to post by thepresident
 


Man I think you'll find even fewer Romney supporters here than Obama supporters.

I'm pretty sure the general consensus is they are both equally as horrible choices.


I'm not sure.

I think it would be better to find some common people to be politicians.

But I think this country is being tested

I think some people in this thread would have hatcheted me



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