The catch all mental health disorder... Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD), page 6

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Reply to post by ScatterBrain

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I feel like parents are to blame for what you are referring to. I mean a child may be diagnosed with ADD but nobody looks at the childs diet. A change in the diet could improve concentration and cut down on hyperactivity. Its the parents job to protect their kids and make sure they are taking the best course of action. Outside of that though, every adult has a choice of treatment. You can seek counseling without seeing a psychiatrist. Most people who are prescribed anti depressants are not expected to stay on them long term. They are usually supposed to provide a boost while counseling handles the dirty work.

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I would concur. I think Diet IS important. But it is our schools and how they are structured. Most schools have eliminated things like Recess or outdoor play.

I like the Waldorf educational model . I wish I had that when I was a kid.

I went to a private school and that was still hard.. and I still ended up getting kicked out

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Reply to post by redhorse

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Ummmmmm. If you study psychology at the graduate level, you have to pick a concentration, that concentration along with your field work and research, will determine what population you end up working with, what type of counseling you practice, etc. All of what you learn is concrete.

Ummmmmm.

My concentration is already picked. I know exactly where I'm going and what I'll be doing.

Golly-gee-thanks-though.

So the graduate curriculum is more focused. So what? Undergrad is generalized and utter crap, and graduate school is more focused and still utter crap. Because the whole system (scam) is built upon and encourages junk science that caters to the pocketbooks and agendas of entities that have no interest in actually helping anyone. Which (once more) is how we get the diagnosis-of-the-month like ODD. I hate to repeat myself, but you seem to need it.

I understand your apparent need to play guidance counselor here in a transparent attempt to discredit me, and I also understand it's part of your strategy to avoid my point about a psychology degree, and many of the professionals that have them like the plague because well... Then you'd be wrong in this particular little argument; and even worse... If (big if) you are a licensed professional, or hoping to become one, then your whole academic and professional career is possibly a sham, and personally you may have hurt, or will hurt a lot of people. Can't admit that. Can't even look at the possibility. That kind of gets people where they live. I get it. It's so much easier to just avoid that big black hole, and continue blithely along ruining lives, and screwing up neuro-chemistry. Which holds up your whole strategy here as a shining example of what is wrong with the training in the "mental health" field today.

reply to post by redhorse

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So the graduate curriculum is more focused. So what? Undergrad is generalized and utter crap, and graduate school is more focused and still utter crap. Because the whole system (scam) is built upon and encourages junk science that caters to the pocketbooks and agendas of entities that have no interest in actually helping anyone.

Preach it brother!

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
Reply to post by redhorse

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Ummmmmm. If you study psychology at the graduate level, you have to pick a concentration, that concentration along with your field work and research, will determine what population you end up working with, what type of counseling you practice, etc. All of what you learn is concrete. ODD is not an umbrella diagnosis for anything. It just usually occurs with other disorders. Similar to how most people with OCD also have an anxiety disorder.

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Thanks for the clarification -- but are you sure ODD isn't being used for a catchall by Bureaucrats looking for a useful label? Seems the former marine who got thrown in a mental hospital was "diagnosed" on the fly because he thought 9/11 was an inside job (that should be on an IQ test IMO).

However -- I don't think in this case, it was a high level fascist conspiracy -- because it's kind of dumb to jail someone who accuses you of fascism, and then not even have a friendly judge lined up, much less some paperwork to give it the air of legitimacy. Likely in that case, it was an overreaction of people who were shocked and concerned about other violent acts -- and they thought this guy fit the profile (because they didn't pay attention to prior signs, I suppose).

reply to post by Trivium68

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Hi Trivium68,

I would concur. I think Diet IS important. But it is our schools and how they are structured. Most schools have eliminated things like Recess or outdoor play. I like the Waldorf educational model . I wish I had that when I was a kid. I went to a private school and that was still hard.. and I still ended up getting kicked out

Yep yep. Some of Steiner's practices have and are being utilized around the world. Our public education system has different motives I'm afraid. You will find many of Steiner's philosophy on educating the child are being utilized in many areas, say for example, The Children's Museum, in Pittsburgh.

My son (shameless plug) works with the children there and when I stopped in Pittsburgh, he gave me a tour of all the "hands on" educational activities that promote the learning of the sciences and arts. The atmosphere was equivalent of a big playground full of happy kids who were learning, exploring and playing simultaneously...the best way to learn in my opinion...(enjoying the childhood experience as they learn).

There is absolutely no legit reason we can't utilize these same methods in all areas of public education. More money is spent controlling education than educating. Learning should be fun. I know that when I taught, kids were able to absorb their lessons like a sponge and were excited about learning. That ended when control was transferred to the global system who claims they want what is best for the children, they want what is best for them, that is control of our children. I just do not understand why parents tolerate what is bad just because they are told it is good, even though there is evidence to the contrary. Again, this topic of O.D.D. main objective is to control behavior, and experimentation and manipulation of the mind are the main objectives of psychology in my opinion.

Thanks for mentioning the Waldorf education, the philosophy has been around, it would be great if we went towards that direction.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

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While this is interesting... does it matter? Do you think the powerful global corpocracy government cares what you think? Are you surprised by these things still?

Also not to be a defeatist but, do you think this will do anything to wake up the dingleberries that cannot see that we're kind of screwed? I say they should suffer the price for being ignorant. People like to pretend things are fine and ignore facts. I know this seems disheartening and maybe even vile, but I do not really have any hope.

My question is how far down do we have to go for people to see stuff sucks. If we look back in current history in WW2 a country rather kill millions of people than fix their own government. Interesting times are ahead.

Reply to post by Trivium68

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Yea our schools are messed up. I actually just watched Waiting For Superman last night, that documentary changed my whole perspective on teachers. But I have heard good things about Waldorf schools and schools that practice multiage grouping. I've heard that the public schools system does not use those structures because its not really feasable for them to do with the amount of students they have to teach.

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Reply to post by redhorse

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Lol there is no way you have your concentration picked yet. You would have had to already been accepted by the school of your choice. Unlike undergrad, all grad schools do not offer the same concentrations or programs. But anyway, what you learn is not junk science. Pretty much everything that is taught has been proven to work. Its been studied, peer reviewed, and proven to produce results. I am not saying people cannot be harmed while recieving mental health treatment im just saying the treatments are solid. Mental health professionals are just like medical doctors some are good, some are average, and some suck at life. That doesnt mean we should all just discard everything we know about medical science. I am starting to wonder why you want to go into this field, assuming you really are, if you dont believe it heals people.

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I dont think the marine who was forced to be hospitalized was diagnosed with ODD. Nobody knows what he was diagnosed with or why he was detained.

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I disagree. I have ADD. I'm 32 years old. There are many adults with ADD and like me, use Ritalin.
I was a child and was not medicated. I had constant problems in school. I'm a bright, intelligent person yet just could not achieve.

I was diagnosed with ADD when I was 29. Since then I have been accepted into Penn State (after taking and passing a number of remediation courses), scored significantly higher on my ACT's (and ASVAB when I was still active duty), have obtained multiple certifications (A+, Network+ and soon Security+) - and to top it all off I obtained a very good job in an occupation I completely enjoy.

Would I attribute most of it to being treated and medicated? Absolutely, Resoundingly YES. I was going no where in the Navy, having problems even completing day to day jobs. I didn't really notice it during the first half of my career because I really enjoyed what I was working on. When I was sent to do altogether different work, things changed drastically. I could not concentrate, I couldn't understand the simplest of concepts. I went to see help, was eventually (among other diagnosis and treatments which did not work at all) diagnosed with ADD, received counseling and medication and things really turned around, very quickly.

My experience and many, many many others are out there. Don't get me wrong - I'm ALL ABOUT A PROPER DIET and that is a huge factor. Good Psychiatrists will also tell you that and help you eat healthier. Bad ones...well they probably just throw meds at you. I have done the Juice cleanse (popularized by the Documentary Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead) as well as switched to whole plant based food diet for upwards of six months. All of these things help, including medication.

Now - about the original post - this is scary stuff. When you think of this within the context of civil liberties combined with acts such as the PATRIOT Act and the latest NDAA you can really start to put together a clear picture that is very frightening. I hope more people wake up soon.

reply to post by acmpnsfal

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Its my professional opinion, I know for a fact you cannot medicate away Opposition Defiant Disorder. It can only be fixed through counseling as its not caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. You have to alter their behavior and thinking. Also, someone who has the credentials to evaluate and diagnose something like this would have had to gone through some type of graduate or doctorate program. Graduate schools are not degree mills.

Your professional opinion is very scary.

Psychiatry is a truly subjective practice. There really is no way to measure anything. It's all opinion.

Not everyone is a noble being and even professionals can be manipulated. I believe that the OP has every reason to be wary that this catch all ODD can and is being abused. Don't listen to that person with a disorder. It could be like the Wizard of OZ, -pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

I do believe that you are an educated person, but come on now.

A.- must have done 4 of these in the last 6 months.
often loses temper
often argues with adults
often actively defies or refuses to comply with adults’ requests or rules
often deliberately annoys people
often blames others for his or her mistakes or misbehavior
is often touchy or easily annoyed by others
is often angry and resentful
is often spiteful or vindictive

Really?
Oh, yes, I do know there are severe extremes. It's called childhood, poor parenting, lack of parenting and they've become so much easier to deal with since they've been medicated and my personal favorite, I just don't want to deal with it.

My background?

Studied for my BSN (Nursing) at a very prestigious and private college, 5 years working the floor in a major children's hospital( consistently top 10 in all areas), 5 children of my own, one of whom presented a great challenge.

No sir, I don't like it.

But, since we are on a conspiracy site, let me ask you this tiny little question. Would health insurance pay for consistent appointments (pay checks) to discuss life issues with one of your field if there wasn't some kind of diagnosis?

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
While digging through various articles on the recent unlawful detainment of veterans like in the Brandon Raub case, I came across the term Oppositional Defiant Disorder (ODD). Just the name alone activated the alarm bells in my brain, and so I dug a little deeper. ODD is a fairly new "diagnosis" being used to define people who basically go against the grain. This "disorder" is mainly used to identify children with behavioral problems, but what it stopping them from using this diagnosis against people like you and I?

Psychiatrics claim that sufferers have “a recurrent pattern of negativistic, defiant, disobedient, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that persists for at least 6 months” which includes:

Persistent stubbornness
Resistance to directions
Unwillingness to go along with the crowd
Deliberately annoying others
Testing limits by ignoring orders

So anyone standing up against tyranny... anyone standing up against the global banking cartel... and anyone not absolutely submissive to TPTB could be diagnosed with ODD. For those, like me, who are wondering just how exactly "they" will take firearms away from lawful citizens... here is the answer. Get diagnosed with ODD and I bet you fail a background check the next time you attempt to legally purchase a firearm.

ODD

ODD: The War at Home

We can play the same game too. A recent study done by members of the public shows psychologists suffer a chronic mental disorder known as CDSD ...

Intelligent people claim pyschologists suffer "from a compulsive need to subjugate and label non-psychiatrists for the purpose of fiduciary or political gain, to uphold the often incorrect belief that the field of psychology helps those placed under its care. This particular psychological ailment is referred to as Compulsive Dialectical Schadenfreude Disorder (CDSD).

Normal intelligent people claim sufferers have “a recurrent pattern of imagining their evaluations of a person's mental health is unassailable and that medical cocktails—which have resulted in death—are a sound solution towards improving a persons wellbeing. This behavior often persists well after 2 years of professional training and includes:

Unwillingness to listen to patients (voluntary or otherwise)
Resistance to criticism by non-psychologists
Deliberately annoying others
Submits opinion pieces to journals to create an image or veneer of authority
A sense of misplaced intellectual accomplishment, authority, or superiority

Sounds about right to me!

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What about "Let's Make Sh-- Up Syndrome" or LMSUS.

Are you suffering from LMSUS? Is it a real disease or disorder? No. But your suffering from it. Trust us we are a multinational retail drug corporation and we make the commercials blink by on your TV screen. We smile a lot and have attractive actors smiling on our commercials. We're good folks. Trust us sheeple.

There is no cure for LMSUS but there are treatment options available.

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