Romney/Ryan Economic Plan: 12 Million Back To Work

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posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Since you're so one-sided with your point. Let me be one sided with mine. REAL UNEMPLOYMENT IS 42%.

The Real Unemployment Rate by Bruce Walker
www.thenewamerican.com...




posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Since you're so one-sided with your point. Let me be one sided with mine. REAL UNEMPLOYMENT IS 42%.

The Real Unemployment Rate by Bruce Walker
www.thenewamerican.com...


Sure, if you want to use those numbers....then Romney would have a "real unemployment rate" of 36.6% if he added 12 million jobs. So he would have a U3 rate of 0.5% (if you believe that, then you are very naive) and a "real unemployment rate" of 36.6%...which isn't really much better than 41.6%

Sorry...trying playing with numbers doesn't work with me...I am very well aware of the numbers.

If anyone thinks Romney is going to add 12 million jobs...they are going to be very very dissapointed.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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Supply side was invented by the elites and corporatist scum.

The new model is Demand Side.

If America seeks to aide those who create demand, supply will
be appeased.


Romney and Ryan are scum bag elite yes men



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by RELDDIR
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
 


Since you're so one-sided with your point. Let me be one sided with mine. REAL UNEMPLOYMENT IS 42%.

The Real Unemployment Rate by Bruce Walker
www.thenewamerican.com...


Sure, if you want to use those numbers....then Romney would have a "real unemployment rate" of 36.6% if he added 12 million jobs. So he would have a U3 rate of 0.5% (if you believe that, then you are very naive) and a "real unemployment rate" of 36.6%...which isn't really much better than 41.6%

Sorry...trying playing with numbers doesn't work with me...I am very well aware of the numbers.

If anyone thinks Romney is going to add 12 million jobs...they are going to be very very dissapointed.


HE will add 12 million jobs...

In China



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Because expansion of business means more income for the owner/shareholders.


No it does not. Hiring more people does not bring in more income, in fact it creates less. The only thing that will bring in more income is higher prices or more sales.


That's economics 101 .... basic business sense.

That if you hire people you do not need, you will make more money?
Where did you go to school?


Considering your statements .. I really doubt you are a small business owner.
You have absolutely no understanding of economics or business.

reply to post by Endorra
 

You are going around the boards causing problems and trolling .. attacking people for no reason on various threads.
ANNEE is a long standing member here. Stop the harrassment.



I never attacked Annee. I was agreeing with her.

ANYWAY...please do tell me how hiring more people makes me more money.



posted on Aug, 26 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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Originally posted by 46ACE
BECAUSE I CAN PRODUCE MORE IN LESS TIME ; AND...wait for it...WAIT for it...

MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Which is nothing but a huge fail if demand is not increasing at all.


("Greed" for the lack of a better term : is Good: it motivates! As long as it costs less to hire more people than the value they produce and the company benefits: it will be "favorable";
no necessary to hire more workers.)

This is not "rocket science". A little more life experience and a few less poli-sci credits and it becomes glaringly obvious.


No, it is not rocket science at all. If I could not keep up with demand, I would hire more people. Unless I was a failing business model, that increase in demand would pay for more people. Me getting a tax cut does not cause demand to go up. This is not rocket science.

You also need to understand that while I am paying more people to produce more in less time and yet not selling more, I then have to pay to store all that extra inventory and have to pay taxes on it while it is on hand. How is it profitable for me to spend more money while not bringing any new actual income in? How long is that sustainable?



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:40 AM
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I am not a business owner, but I am retired after 39 yrs of working. I would really like to understand this issue. The smart people (than me) tell me tax breaks will create jobs, but in all seriousness, I can't understand that. If I did own a business, and got a 10K tax break, I would put it somewhere. The only reason I would hire more employees is if I really needed the help.

I vote democrat, mostly, but I did vote republican in my earlier years. I am more than willing to give Romney a chance, if I thought he cared more for the suffering of others caused by greed. I need to find that quality in him before I trust him. Obama is not the best, but I can't explain why I trust him more than Romney. After research, I do not trust Ryan AT ALL.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:53 AM
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12 million workers, about 12 workers to a room.. what province do you think they will be building this massive chinese worker housing project in?

It is funny that the VP is talking. I guess he can answer a little faster than Romney's consulting lawyers. Seriously though, you guys realize they are not going to get elected, and further more, if they were they aren't going to do a damn thing for regular Americans right? Well I guess they might draft them up to fight Iran and a few other countries.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by Endorra
That if you hire people you do not need, you will make more money?

More money coming in means an EXPANSION of business can happen.
EXPANSION of business means hiring more people to fill that EXPANSION.
EXPANSION means making more money. EXPANSION means hiring more people.
Chain store corporations like McDonalds make more money than single mom & pop shops.

Where did you go to school?

Obviously a better school than you did.
Like I said ... basic economics and basic business sense ...
EXPANSION = making more money in the long run.
If you really were a business owner you'd know this.
So I restate what I said .. I don't believe you are one.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
Tax cuts in themselves, do not creat A JOB. Most tax cuts are used to reinvest into expanding, updating, upgrading existing infrastructure. This reinvestment creats a demand, that collectively stimulates the economy and therefore producing more demand. This demand will lead to more hiring.


or.....
relocating the jobs to china, or some other country where there is less regulation and slaves willing to work their lives away for far less money!!!

so,theyI can make more money!!

one thing is for sure though, giving the small businesses a tax cut ain't gonna increase jobs one bit if it doesn't put money into the pockets of the consumers, since if we have no money, we can't spend any money...at least without going into debt, and then, it doesn't make sense for most small business owners to hire more employees or expand their business even.....they are dead in the water!!

which party was it that was proclaiming the virtue of outsourcing the jobs overseas about oh, I don't know, five or so years back????
that is the party I will not be voting for!!!

which is the party that keeps propping up the social service nets, which allows the economy to tank without many even noticing because they are still pretty much sitting nice an comfy??
that is the party I will not be voting for!!

Mickey Mouse has the magic, with a wave of his wand he can make everything so much better!! I am voting for him!!!!

since the selected candidates have absolutely no magic bullets whatsoever and give us instead just empty promises!



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
More money coming in means an EXPANSION of business can happen.
EXPANSION of business means hiring more people to fill that EXPANSION.
EXPANSION means making more money. EXPANSION means hiring more people.
Chain store corporations like McDonalds make more money than single mom & pop shops.


Are you trying to be serious?
I am making more money because of tax cuts so I am going to hire more people I do not need?
What business in the world works on that model?
Name one!



Obviously a better school than you did.
Like I said ... basic economics and basic business sense ...
EXPANSION = making more money in the long run.
If you really were a business owner you'd know this.
So I restate what I said .. I don't believe you are one.


I really am a business owner and hiring and paying people I do not need does not make me more money.
I can only ask you to try to explain this so many times before I have to accept you have no clue.

I have more money. I am going to just hire people I do not need? To do what? Stand around? That is going to make me more money?

We went over this. If I get more people making more stuff without demand going up, what happens to my business?

Simple question for anyone that walked by an Econ class.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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I am with you all the way. I just need one person to explain to me why I would hire more people just because I had more money. Just one person and I might even get on the Romney train whole hog. Just one person that can make that make sense in any real world way could really convince me to give a crap this time. Too bad so far all I am getting is ignorant repetition of "Tax cuts will create jobs somehow magically!!!!"



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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In 2010 GE not only got huge tax cuts, they got a very sizeable refund. How come they still shed jobs that year?
GE had extra money to spend. According to you, they would automatically spend that money on hiring people. Instead they laid people off. Why is that?

BTW, my last big tax break windfall allowed me to update enough equipment to actually eliminate the need for 3 people. Expansion is awesome!



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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I get your point. But McDonalds and Walmart would expand because they have great demand, right? If they did not have more demand for their products, why expand?



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by MOMof3
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I get your point. But McDonalds and Walmart would expand because they have great demand, right? If they did not have more demand for their products, why expand?


They would not. No one ever hires people they do not need just because they have the money to do so. That is a terrible way to do business and will likely be the business downfall. Flyersfan has been programmed to believe that tax cuts = jobs without ever considering why.



posted on Aug, 27 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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The world of western economics has drastically changed in the last few years and your idea of supply and demand is so obsolete as to be almost humorous to any savvy businessman in today's marketplace.

If I was still in the manufacturing business, I would do exactly the same thing large corporations do....take the tax windfall and subsidies and ship my manufacturing section off shore or to Mexico. American business is about PROFIT and not supplying jobs. That's precisely why the American business model is now service oriented instead of manufacturing. Cooking happy meals, retail clerks and cleaning motel rooms will never bring America back to it's Glory days when steel was king. We refused to modernize so the Orientals took advantage and now we import from them.

Speculation is now the SOP in the carpeted and walnut paneled wall offices that most of the proletariat don't even know exist. Todays business men don't need people, they need faster www. connections and software to keep up with the global market trends.

This should begin to get you up to speed....

www.ey.com...



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by RELDDIR
2012 is looking more and more like 1980. With gas prices hovering near all-time highs. "Real" Unemployment numbers remaining stagnantly high. President Obama calls out Republicans for being "obstructionists," yet he offered no real plan of his own. Here is a summary of the Romney-Ryan economic plan, similar to Reagan's "supply-side" economics.

Excerpt from Paul Ryan: Pro-Growth Supply-Sider By Larry Kudlow
www.realclearpolitics.com...

"The congressman said Team Romney, with a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut, is aiming at an average growth rate of 4 percent over the next four years. "If we can do that," he said, "which we think we can with the right economic-pro-growth policies, we can get 12 million people back to work."

Ryan opposes crony capitalism and corporate welfare. He wants Washington out of the game of picking winners and losers. He argues that if President Obama raises the top tax rate on small businesses to over 40 percent, it would kill growth and jobs. He argues in supply-side fashion that lowering tax rates and plugging loopholes will produce more income, not less.

At one point in the interview, Ryan summarized the Romney-Ryan position: "Pro-growth policies, energy policy, regulatory reform, tax reform and spending cuts." As I have said before, I believe the Mitt Romney platform is the most conservative Republican policy since the Reagan era. Paul Ryan bolsters it.

Ryan also said this: "Let's get the size of government back down to where it has historically been: 20 percent of GDP by 2016." In other words, significant spending restraint. This is pro-growth, too."

Will the President have his own economic plan, after 4 years, to go toe-to-toe with Romney? The DNC convention in Charlotte, NC is just around the corner.
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Our only way out of this Obama - stagnation - is to grow the size of the GDP Pie.

Stop attacking small businesses with unending regulations.

Instead of growing the economy, Obama wants a nationwide Value Added Tax that

will only make everything worse.


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Gov. Sarah Palin said it plainly last night. November can't get here soon enough.

- President Mitt Romney - will create an environment where small businesses can

thrive.



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Reality Television Star and one time failed VP candidate Sarah Palin said it plainly last night. November can't get here soon enough.

- President Mitt Romney - will create an environment where small businesses can

thrive.


Fixed that. It was bugging me.

Love to see what you have on this VAT you speak of.



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Gov. Sarah Palin is doing a great job filling up the U.S. Senate and House with GOP

and Tea Party members. It looks like a repeat of the November 2010 election. Remember ?

Obama called it a shellacking.


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Obama is just copying Great Britain. - Socialism Gone Wild -

British NHS = ObamaCare

Next step is to move the Value Added Tax to the USA to fund more government spending.


We need to reduce the size of government.



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At the same time Romney / Ryan will put 12 Million Americans back to work.

There are too many Americans on food stamps. They deserve better then that.

Our college graduates can't find work with this Obama stagnation.

They are trading their caps and gowns for mops!

- Click on this link but only if you want the truth -
edit on 28-8-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 28 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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Gov. Sarah Palin is doing a great job filling up the U.S. Senate and House with GOP

and Tea Party members. It looks like a repeat of the November 2010 election. Remember ?

Obama called it a shellacking.


Oh yes, I certainly do remember because I have watched each and every one of those candidates grow government and increase spending since taking office. And you think it is good if that happens again?
They got what they wanted. I have yet to see one TEA Party candidate that won in 2010 who lived up to any of the TEA party ideals.

For now though, I do not see who she is filling anything with. Where is all this taking place? You say a lot of things happen that I find hard to believe have happened.
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Obama is just copying Great Britain. - Socialism Gone Wild -

British NHS = ObamaCare

Next step is to move the Value Added Tax to the USA to fund more government spending.


Opinion.
Opinion.
Opinion.

I really only care if you can bring facts. I already asked about the VAT. If your only answer is that you assume it is coming...then I remain unmoved. I am not at all interested in what you feel or think when it comes to things that are either true or not.



We need to reduce the size of government.


You plan to do that with more politicians eh? What are they going to do? Fire government workers? Add to unemployment. Obama tried that and all you people see is the job loss. When Romney fires all those government workers, how is that UE gonna spin without being 100% hypocritical?





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At the same time Romney / Ryan will put 12 Million Americans back to work.


Back to work?

You have no idea how that is going to happen so why would you repeat something just because someone else told you to believe it? That is the epitome of naive.


There are too many Americans on food stamps. They deserve better then that.

Our college graduates can't find work with this Obama stagnation.

They are trading their caps and gowns for mops!

- Click on this link but only if you want the truth -
edit on 28-8-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)


How is that different from when the last Republican was in office? Oh yeah, it was happening faster.





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