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New Audio surfaces, Obama Says "That Fetus or Child" Was "Just Not Coming Out Limp and Dead"

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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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New Audio surfaces, Obama Says "That Fetus or Child" Was "Just Not Coming Out Limp and Dead"


Here's an audio recording of Barack Obama arguing as an Illinois state senator in 2002 against legislation protecting infants who had survived an attempted late-term abortions:


Video: Obama Says He's 'Pro-Choice' on Third-Trimester Abortions
www.weeklystandard.com...
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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:48 PM
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This will be brought up again closer to the election. Especially if the Democrats continue to push the legitimate rape issue. Democrats know abortion is a losing issue nationally, but are not smart enough to help themselves.


edit on 23-8-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)


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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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I have repeatedly said that I think it's entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don't think that "mental distress" qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.

Source

Obama's stance, in case you cared to have some actual facts in your distortion



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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In 2001, then IL state Sen. Barack Obama for the 2nd year in a row was the sole senator opposing Born Alive Infant bills state senate floor.

Audio of senate floor debates is destroyed when transcripts are written. Until now only the Chicago Tribune was known to have audio of this debate but has not released it.

But we now have it. In the audio Obama is arguing against calling for a 2nd physician if the 1st physician - the abortionist - has decided the baby s/he has just aborted alive is nonviable.

Most would recognize the potential for subjective opinion in this case. The abortionist is being paid to kill the baby predelivery, and a live birth would indicate s/he botched, for one thing.


youtu.be...



There is another video that should be released, we will see if that ever happens.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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I know the facts, I knew the facts four years ago.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

I have repeatedly said that I think it's entirely appropriate for states to restrict or even prohibit late-term abortions as long as there is a strict, well-defined exception for the health of the mother. Now, I don't think that "mental distress" qualifies as the health of the mother. I think it has to be a serious physical issue that arises in pregnancy, where there are real, significant problems to the mother carrying that child to term. Otherwise, as long as there is such a medical exception in place, I think we can prohibit late-term abortions.

Source

Obama's stance, in case you cared to have some actual facts in your distortion


Obama haters hate to have facts brought up that shows them wrong. Star for your effort.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 07:59 PM
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Links to Barack Obama’s votes on Illinois’ Born Alive Infant Protection Act




2001

Senate Bill 1095, Born Alive Infant Protection Act
Obama’s “no” vote in the IL Senate Judiciary Committee here, March 28, 2001
Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor, March 30, 2001, pages 84-90
Obama’s “present” vote on the IL Senate floor, March 30, 2001

2002

Senate Bill 1662, Born Alive Infant Protection Act
Transcript of Obama taking credit for Christ Hospital’s Comfort Room in the IL Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, March 5, 2002
Obama’s “no” vote in the IL Senate Judiciary Committee, March 6, 2002
Transcript of Obama’s verbal opposition to Born Alive on the IL Senate floor, April 4, 2002, pages 28-35
Obama’s “no” vote on the IL Senate floor, April 4, 2002
Listen to audio from Obama’s 2002 IL Senate floor debate wherein he argued that while babies might be aborted alive, it would be a “burden” to a mother’s “original decision” to assess and treat them.
Meanwhile, the federal Born Alive Infants Protection Act with a “neutrality clause” added passed the U.S. Senate 98-0, the U.S. House overwhelmingly, and was signed into law August 5, 2002. The pro-abortion group NARAL expressed neutrality on the bill.



For 4 years following his 2003 vote Obama misrepresented it, stating the wording of the IL version of Born Alive was not the same as the federal version, and he would have voted for it if so. As recently as August 16, 2008, Obama made this false assertion.

But when evidence presented was irrefutable, Obama’s campaign on August 18, 2008, admitted the truth to the New York Sun.
www.jillstanek.com...
The nonpartison group FactCheck.org has since corroborated Obama voted against identical legislation as passed overwhelmingly on the federal level and then misrepresented his vote.



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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It is well documented that Senator Obama callously voted against taking care of the child born alive after a botched late term abortion attempt.

Nice find I might add.
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posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:30 PM
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What was so bad that he said? All he said was that this bill was unnecessary because the doctors would revive the baby if it was born alive anyway.

Why post a propaganda video with words added in he did not say?

He voted for less government, why are you right wingers upset? Isn't that what you want? Less government intrusion?
edit on 23-8-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Thanks for the catch OP. I figured I was already polarizing enough without piling on but when I've mentioned that hammering Repubs on stupid things said is throwing rocks from a glass house, this is certainly one of a few different things that came to mind.

S/F for the catch!



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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Well, RS, you need to take a good long hard look at who you are supporting, I have been posting this information since before Obama was elected, may I ask you why planned parenthood is in the heart of the hood(where I live BTW)


On average, 1,876 black babies are aborted every day in the United States.

This incidence of abortion has resulted in a tremendous loss of life. It has been estimated that since 1973 Black women have had about 16 million abortions. Michael Novak had calculated "Since the number of current living Blacks (in the U.S.) is 36 million, the missing 16 million represents an enormous loss, for without abortion, America's Black community would now number 52 million persons. It would be 36 percent larger than it is. Abortion has swept through the Black community like a scythe, cutting down every fourth member."

A highly significant 1993 Howard University study showed that African American women over age 50 were 4.7 times more likely to get breast cancer if they had had any abortions compared to women who had not had any abortions.


Obama is the champion of abortion, why?

THE BLACK HOLOCAUST PT.3



Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by
2038 the black vote will be insignificant. Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said,
"Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today?
www.blackgenocide.org...

In America today, almost as many African-American children are aborted as are born. A black baby is three times more likely to be murdered in the womb than a white baby.

youtu.be...



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 09:37 AM
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Storm don't you know that all right wingers are racist people that try to keep that black man down? You see we have to ignore that actual evidence and follow the script provided for us...

/sarcasm off


I have to add that I personally feel that it is the woman's choice regarding abortion. Regardless of the circumstance. While I generally take a more conservative view on many things, this is a topic that I feel is best decided by the woman who will ultimately be most affected by the pregnancy.

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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Eugen Fischer

evans-experientialism.freewebspace.com...


Prof. Dr. Eugen Fischer (1874-1967) was the. first director of the Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Human Hereditary Teaching and Eugenics in Berlin-Dahlem, established in 1927 upon his initiative. Already in 1913, Fischer earned a reputation by publishing his field research concerning the questions of race crossbreeding in the colony of German-Southwest-Africa (today; Namibia). He stood for an absolute prohibition of mixed marriages within the colonies.The Kaiser-Wilhelm Institute actively participated in the Nazi policy of racism, in his function of government consultant within the expert committee on demography and racial policy, Fischer, together with Fritz Lenz, planned the enforced sterilization of the so-called "Rhineland bastards", "half-breeds"; who were the descendants of German women and African or Asian colonial soldiers, born during the Rhineland occupation of the years 1920-1927. In 1945, Fischer was denazified as a "follower". In 1952, he became honorary president of the newly founded German Anthropological Society

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Heidegger's Nazi Racialist friend Eugen Fischer was born in Karlsruhe, Germany on 5th June, 1874. A supporter of the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) Fischer, along with Edwin Baur and Fritz Lenz, published Human Hereditary Teaching and Racial Hygiene. The book became one of the standard works of German racialism.

Contrary to the popular assumptions about concentration camps, the first concentrationcamps actually happened in 1904-1907 in a region of German South Africa which is part of present day Namibia. Led by Lt. General Lothar von Trotha, the Germans of South West Africa began placing a group of natives known as the Herero tribe into concentration camps. Before the camps the Herero numbered 80,000 and after the camps they numbered less than 15,000


en.wikipedia.org...


Medical experiments
Further information: Scientific racism and Craniometry

Eugen Fischer, a German scientist, came to the concentration camps to conduct medical experiments on race,[78] using children of Herero people and mulatto children of Herero women and German men as test subjects.[78] Together with Theodor Mollison he also experimented upon Herero prisoners[84] Those experiments included sterilization, injection of smallpox, typhus as well as tuberculosis.[69]

The numerous cases of mixed offspring upset the German colonial administration and the obsession with racial purity.[69] Eugen Fischer studied 310 mixed-race children, calling them "Rehoboth bastards" of "lesser racial quality".[69] Fischer also subjected them to numerous racial tests such as head and body measurements, eye and hair examinations. In conclusion of his studies he advocated genocide of alleged "inferior races" stating that "whoever thinks thoroughly the notion of race, can not arrive at a different conclusion".[69]



Number of victims

A census performed in 1905 revealed that 25,000 Herero remained in German South-West Africa.[87]

According to the 1985 United Nations' Whitaker Report, the population of 80,000 Herero was reduced to 15,000 "starving refugees" between 1904 and 1907[88] In Colonial Genocide and Reparations Claims in the 21st Century: The Socio-Legal Context of Claims under International Law by the Herero against Germany for Genocide in Namibia by Jeremy Sarkin-Hughes a number of 100,000 victims is given. German author Walter Nuhn states that in 1904 only 40,000 Herero lived in German South-West Africa, and therefore "only 24,000" could have been killed.[9]



Influence upon Nazi Germany

The Herero genocide has commanded the attention of historians who study complex issues of continuity between the Herero Genocide and the Holocaust.[89] It is argued that the Herero genocide set a precedent in Imperial Germany to be later followed by Nazi Germany's establishment of death camps.[90][91]

According to Benjamin Madley, the German experience in South West Africa was a crucial precursor to Nazi colonialism and genocide. He argues that personal connections, literature, and public debates served as conduits for communicating colonialist and genocidal ideas and methods from the colony to Germany.[92]

Tony Barta, honorary research associate at La Trobe University Melbourne, argues that the Herero Genocide was an inspiration for Hitler in his war against the Jews.[93]
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According to Clarence Lusane, Eugen Fischer's medical experiments can be seen as a testing ground for later medical procedures used during the Nazi Holocaust.[69] Fischer later became chancellor of the University of Berlin, where he taught medicine to Nazi physicians.[78] One of his prominent students was Josef Mengele, the doctor who performed genetic experiments on Jewish children at the Auschwitz concentration camp.[94]



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


Storm don't you know that all right wingers are racist people that try to keep that black man down? You see we have to ignore that actual evidence and follow the script provided for us...

/sarcasm off



Yea, sadly they wont listen, I think some are paying attention though..



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Well RS and OS have decks of race cards but I seriously think you have rendered them null and void at this point. The evidence that you have provided pretty much sums up Planned Parenthood as being more nefarious than just providing for women's health.

Good post. I still support a woman's right to choose.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Doom and Gloom
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Well RS and OS have decks of race cards but I seriously think you have rendered them null and void at this point. The evidence that you have provided pretty much sums up Planned Parenthood as being more nefarious than just providing for women's health.

Good post. I still support a woman's right to choose.


Nefarious yes, I am very sympathetic to women that find themselves in the position that they have to make such a choice.

But to think we have at this time in history with modern technology to slaughter the innocent is bizarre, I still think we will go down in history as barbarians.

Once childbearing was sacred, now many see it as a burden.

Now we do away with the unborn and withhold care from the elderly, once the elderly were revered for their wisdom and knowledge now they too are a burden on society.

We are reaping what we have sown.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Nefarious yes, I am very sympathetic to women that find themselves in the position that they have to make such a choice.


i agree it is a very difficult choice for them to make, yet still theirs to make. I do agree that they should make better use of the various birth control devices at their disposal.



But to think we have at this time in history with modern technology to slaughter the innocent is bizarre, I still think we will go down in history as barbarians.


As much as people try to make the human race out to be some divine creature, we are still at our core animals. We are no more barbaric now than we have been since our existence.



Once childbearing was sacred, now many see it as a burden.


It was a different time. Families were closer and cared for one another more. Extended families lived together and all contributed to the household. Larger groups provided safety and security. Now having a child will put you into poverty if you are not wealthy. In most cases both parents have to work to even get by, leaving the child in the care of others. That is assuming that the child will even have both parents and not just a mother and a "baby daddy" which seems to be a badge of honor on how many children you can provide a sperm donation for.



Now we do away with the unborn and withhold care from the elderly, once the elderly were revered for their wisdom and knowledge now they too are a burden on society.


i suppose that this can really depend on culture, because older people tend to be more firmly rooted in their beliefs even if their beliefs are wrong or out dated. i do see your point.



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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I have been poor all my life, had four children, I never thought they were a burden, they are the light of my life,

I do believe in the soul and the sacredness of life of all forms, and I think the state of the human race today is the result of us losing our connection with the divine.

JMHO



posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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I have been poor all my life, had four children, I never thought they were a burden, they are the light of my life,

I do believe in the soul and the sacredness of life of all forms, and I think the state of the human race today is the result of us losing our connection with the divine.

JMHO


And that would be the same "divine" that since the time of creation has granted the physical authority and responsibility of reproduction to women?

Let's instead have a governmental legislature in 2012, comprised of 99% men, enact laws to over-ride that silly omnipotent "divine" decision.

I too believe in the "devine"...and if the "devine" had wanted men to make these decisions, then men would get pregnant. Until evolution gives them that responsibility, they can STFU.

Just my honest opinion.
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posted on Aug, 24 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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What was so bad that he said? All he said was that this bill was unnecessary because the doctors would revive the baby if it was born alive anyway.

Why post a propaganda video with words added in he did not say?

He voted for less government, why are you right wingers upset? Isn't that what you want? Less government intrusion?
edit on 23-8-2012 by RealSpoke because: (no reason given)


You really think the abortionist would make an attempt to revive the child? I can't believe you are that naive. The last thing on the abortionist's mind is reviving the baby.

A botched abortion is medical malpractice and avoiding this is priority one.

Obama doesn't want another doctor involved because then there have a witness. Listening to his testimony his entire concern is for the protection of the abortionist. I remember in the late '70's there was a case in Illinois where the abortionist was charged with murder for strangling to death a infant that survived an abortion. I do believe he got off.

Have a couple more:

An abortion doctor in Philadelphia has been charged with eight murders, including seven babies who prosecutors say were born alive then killed with scissors.

abcnews.go.com...

and this is great example of why you really don't want to call in another Doctor:


Dr. Cornelsen testified that when he arrived at the hospital the infant, a baby of about 31 weeks gestation, was breathing and had a heart rate of 60-70. There were bruises on her neck. Dr. Cornelson said that Waddill told him, "Sorry to get you in this mess. We had a baby that came out live from a saline abortion, and it can't live!"

realchoice.blogspot.com...


do a search on "abortionist charged with murder" and open your eyes.

Even Dr. Ron Paul comments on this. It is not a rarity.

“I happened to walk into an operating room where they were doing an abortion on a late pregnancy,” Ron Paul says in his newest campaign ad. “They lifted out a small baby that was able to cry and breathe and they put it in a bucket and put it in the corner of the room and pretended it wasn’t there.


www.lifesitenews.com...

Obama's concern about the baby is not evident in this audio. He wants to protect the abortionist.



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