Originally posted by cetaphobic
Calling someone a shill doesn't make them go away.
Calling someone a shill doesn't make you right.
Calling someone a shill doesn't make them a shill.
You have absolutely no clue who is and is not a shill, so why don't you calm down, do your research, and stop calling people names at all?
This is actually one of the most direct, concise explanations I've seen and I wanted to point it out. Great way to summarize it!
When someone's opinion is different from your own, it doesn't automatically mean they are paid to have that opinion any more than you being paid to
have yours. A discussion offering proof (credible proof) of your position does much, much more for your argument than name calling ever will.
I've been on this site for 3 months now (yes, really, only 3 months) , granted, I don't know everything there is to know about it but I survived my
"trial by fire" and it was definitely an "experience". Not everyone that comes along is a returning member or someone paid to be here or anything
of that nature. Some of them are actually new members (like I was) and don't need to be treated the way that some members treat them. I was called
every name in the book and attacked from all sides just because I happened to know how to use a message board (in general) and had the "nerve" to
speak up and offer opposing views to people who felt that they owned the place due to being here for an extended period of time.
Yes, you do become very defensive and it's hard to "trust" that some people just happened to show up here and have never been here before and
actually know how to use a message board well enough to jump right in, but those people do exist and they happen along every single day. Don't be so
quick to discount each and every person that comes along, you may be guilty of "assasinating" an innocent person who just happens to have a brain
and is joining the site.
If not for being downright stubborn, I wouldn't be here right now because I would have said "forget this" and just abandoned it. But now, I'm on
the same standing as those people who tried their best to "beat me down and run me off". I still know who the worst ones are and I have no respect
for them as a result. Who did they really damage in what they did? I'm a stronger, better member now and they are still full of hatred and
complaining about everything they can complain about.
I won. ATS won. I have a lot to offer and have made some great contributions. I was runner up in our very enjoyable "regent election", I started the
avatar thread where people can come and describe what they want and we make it for them. I've given input based on actual science and as an education
professional. Be careful who you attack, it may be someone who will make some great contributions after they "learn the ropes". Not every single
person that comes along with a new account is a disinformation agent and even the new people, ESPECIALLY the new people, deserve a little respect....
When their very first post is removed due to obvious violations, that's a different story and I understand that, but the "hot topics" are the ones
that are going to attract the new members so not every new person that posts in them is some sort of trouble maker. I do think ALL new member posts
should be limited to the Freshman forum for a given number of posts as well as a give number of days and that would prevent the "trial by fire" that
I endured. ...but it may also prevent them from becoming a stronger member as a result, so it's a toss up there.
If those of us who are already members set a better example and are able to control how we treat the newer people, the newer people are going to fall
into the pattern. People learn more from experience than they do by reading a set of rules and if those rules are demonstrated every day by the people
who are members here, the new people will learn them and abide by them much more quickly. The environment WE create is the environment that will
persist. Create a better one with your own actions and the rest will fall into place. I was attacked, so I attacked back. If I had been welcomed and
treated with dignity and respect, I would have done the same in return.
WE set the tone here. If you want a better tone, then YOU need to set it .... the mods are there to enforce the T&S, not to hold our hands and watch
every move we make. (see, I really am learning Seagull