FBI raids homes in search of "anti-government literature"

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by daynight42

 

Basically, somebody got caught spray-painting government property and that's what this warrant appears to pertain to.

This is what Bonez stated that you seem to be in agreement with. The question, however, remains; what does "anti-government or anarchist literature" have to do with that?

I guess it was a combination of the things listed that made them think there could be something 'more' that these people were planning. So, not just a single one alone sounds convincing enough, but all three combined.

I am not at all in favor of this type of Gestapo mess, for sure. The gov't has criteria for what they deem a terrorist. I remember a while back there was an article that tried to make it seem like you could be considered a terrorist just for having anti-government views. (I can't remember what exactly it was.)

The point is that the criteria (plural) were actually a set of things that included planning to form a militia or being involved with one.

I thought they say they suspected them of planning to riot and travel out of state? Maybe they suspected them of forming a small group that they would consider a militia. Maybe they realize that those spray paint cans can be used as weapons (like, to spray flames at someone). I don't know, but the headline really paints a completely different picture than what could actually be the full story.

It was A. J. who misrepresented the new legislation proposed (or whatever it was). Take one thing out of context, magnify it, and blow it all out of proportion. For people concerned with truth, it's easy to have a bias.

reply to post by artistpoet


Exactly. But people wont listen to you. They will be to busy fearing.

anarchist are not terrorist. But anarchy makes makes terrorist. Serves those people right trying to mess with the goverment in a naughty way. Takes a bad apple they say. When do the activist become a mob? These guys will not go out and do this if they had no proper reason no? To me this is all a blame game reaching its end. Soon the human race will know...

Originally posted by _BoneZ_


Basically, somebody got caught spray-painting government property and that's what this warrant appears to pertain to.

Wow! A teenager painted the grey walls of oppression, and the Gestapo arrived with a warrant?

Now, what does "public" property mean .. it means it's "my" property, and I have my god given right to piss on my own property if I want to.

You mean, that those who painted it do not belog in the "public" category? They're not part of the "public" that owns that public property? You mean they are aliens, like "have another ideology" aliens? Don't belong in America, because they're commies kinda of Aliens.

This kind of discrimination has always existed in the US since the day it was founded.

So if they find a copy of the Declaration of Independence, will I be arrested? You can't get any more anti-government than that document.

So let me get this correct....

The same government that supports human rights and activists in other countries like China and Arab Spring countries is after the same kind of people in its own country.

Now, there might be more to this story that we might not know, like what if they planned terrorist attacks etc.

Indeed interesting...

reply to post by daynight42


the local portland news network had this video report. in the video they interviewed some activists. i don't believe these people are part of the group that was detained. to me they look like political-hipsters. the girl they talked to had some interesting things to say. the video is about a minute and a half long.

i think it's important to note that no arrests have been made.

www.kptv.com...

PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
Two days after FBI agents raided homes in North and Northeast Portland, a political activists group is calling the investigation "a political witch hunt."

The FBI served search warrants at three homes early Wednesday at addresses on NE 31st Avenue, NE Eighth Avenue and North Greenwich Avenue. A spokeswoman couldn't reveal details on what or who agents were searching for, as the investigation is ongoing.

However, a group called the Committee Against Political Repression claims that several local activists were targeted and anarchist materials seized.

"People are being targeted based on their political beliefs," said activist Tabatha Millican. "We know this because specifically in the search warrants they're listing anarchist literature, black clothes and computers."

Millican said dozens of activist groups across the Northwest have joined together to oppose the recent raids, including activists with various Occupy movements.

Fox 12 has not been able to look at the search warrants because they're still sealed. The FBI cannot comment on any of the claims of what was seized on Wednesday. A spokeswoman has said the raids were part of an "ongoing violent crime" investigation.

No arrests have been made, according to a spokeswoman.

Black clothing are they joking? I guess if Johnny Cash were still alive they would raid his home for being anti government?

America used to be such a great country.

Maybe it's time the idiots running this place should stop and ask what are we doing to make our citizens act this way?

reply to post by muzzleflash


In Response to:

"Screw them.

I'd rather spend every minute for eternity in jail being abused than stand here right now and accept this crap.

They are just gonna have to get rid of me.

I will die on my feet thanks.
I will never bow to this tyranny.
Even in death, I will remain free. "

Those last three lines are tattoo worthy.
But you would be faced with "I'm sorry sir, I am unable to tattoo these words onto you."

Originally posted by Dizrael
you guy are missing a KEY point here.

clothing and related articles worn during the commision of the offenses. meaning they commited a crime wearing specific clothing, carrying specific flags.... get the picture?

not because they were Anarchists. but because they were criminals. whatever they did, it was a crime, and had NOTHING to do with their political views...

the warrant says to look for anti-goverment literature and material, sooo notebooks, diagrams, letters...

this is called evidence... again, they commited a crime.

You're missing the point. Yes it was a crime... a misdemeanor, not a felony. It was graffiti! Why the FBI?!! My daughter said someone graffitied the grade school music room. Did we call the FBI? No, it's not a crime serious enought to involve the FBI. There was 1 deputy and a janitor! No raid, no arrests. If they find who did it, they will fine them the cost of repainting and sentence them to community service... Locally... again NO FBI involved..Because it is just graffiti!

Why is the FBI involved in GRAFFITI?! What did they do... spraypain Air Force 1? Vandalize the president's bedroom? At what point is graffiti a felony offence investigable by the FBI?

No one is saying it wasn't a crime, we're saying their response to a misdemeanor crime of vandalism was an FBI team Raid, and that was disproportional to the crime. What's next, FBI raid and swat team for suspected Jay Walking?... That's a crime. So if I wear black, and don't use a crosswalk, I get to see the business end of a SWAT TEAM?

A misdemeanor is out of the FBI's jurisdiction.

The law provisions different levels of response to different crimes to reduce or avoid abuse of the system, corruption of the process, to try to ensure the Law is actually administering Justice.
Are you going to tell me you have never commited any crime in your life? Downloaded questionable music, shoplift, double park, jay walk, smoke pot, use an over-the-counter medication in a way not recomended by the manufacturer...
If you get caught, wouldn't you expect a proportional response, or do you expect to be GTMO'd for letting the parking meter run out?

It should have been a local investigation, by local police, looking for spraypaint on clothing that matched the paint used in the alleged crime. That's the point.

We have heard the argument that the Second Amendment relates only to 'a well-regulated militia'.

How about if the First Amendment relates only to 'a well-regulated press corps'????

Originally posted by subfab

i think it's important to note that no arrests have been made.

No arrests have to be made.

How many times has a scenario like this played out and taken up front page real estate only to produce no results?

Everyday people are pulled over and their cars searched for no reason in front of neighbors, everyday some paper somewhere announces a porn raid or a piracy raid on the front page only never to follow up, everyday a shotgun and two pistols is called an arsenal and their owner is railroaded.

Look at the Hutaree nonsense that was some great crazed militia roundup on the front pages and nightly news. Then nothing happened. They were all let go except 1 and he was charged with nonsense.

All the system needs to do is announce police action. That's it. Then the public, largely dumb as #, just concludes that the target of that police action was guilty and evil.

Then weeks later the paper runs a blip about how nothing came of it and the city had to pay out a $100K settlement but that target is still evil and guilty in the eyes of the public.

It's about scaring people. It's about perception and power.

The "law" and "law enforcement" have absolutely nothing to do with public safety or righteousness in any remote way.

Say the city has to pay out a million dollars for this debacle. That's chump change compared to the heroic image of the cops on TV dressed in their Halloween costumes playing guns and convincing the moron mass that anyone with a flag is a homegrown threat just waiting to eat their children.

To this day most people will think Olympic bomber when they hear the name Richard Jewell.
Exoneration is worthless once you've been named at the wrong end of police action. Any police action.

reply to post by silent thunder


The Nazis did the same thing.
The Soviets did the same thing.
Assad, Gaddafi and others do/did the same thing.

Hell, I remember when the MET police here in the UK raided homes a couple of years ago and even stated on TV that they gathered "political documents" as "evidence". Evidence of what? Having a critical opinion?!

They are trying to paint protesters and political activists as "terrorists". This shows that they know what's happening. People are turning against their failed governments as the economy continues to tank. The government is expecting an uprising of the people and they are preparing for it.

I would urge American's to pay attention to the internet, turn off the TV news, watch Twitter, YouTube and other sites for events unfolding.

The incidents in Anaheim and Dallas recently show a concerted effort by DHS to direct local law enforcement, turning your local cop into a militarized force. They are opening fire with non-lethal rounds and arresting protesters everywhere. Your news is not reporting it.

How long will it be before they kill someone in the street? In Anaheim they had snipers on the roof, they barricaded the police station, they had military cammo gear, they were driving around like they were in Afghanistan.

This is no joke, America is about to implode and most Americans have no freakin' clue.

I wonder.. Whát exactly did they tag, and what is it that the group of sc. "anarchists" knew, or pointed-out/publish that apparently made some high-ups véry nervous. Nérvous enough to swat at a fly with a daisy-cutter.

A complete FBI-team deployment for "tagging???" I do nót buy that. Nope. Someone got "nervous", and over-reacted. Aaaand.. as usual loaded móre suspicion on himself than when he would simply ask the Sheriff to pick-up the troublemakers, as is the norm for most vandals.

At least, overhere, on thís side of the pond it's usually done like this. Assess the damage, pick-up the culprits, and have them clean the premises they tagged, dressed in neon-orange vests. Works like a charm.

Although, to be honest, wé had a bit of a shameful episode when the police ransacked the studio of an artist that produced cartoons, the PC-crowd in The Government did not like. Gave an enormous sh1tstorm. Got police-people fired. So, they won't be trying thát one again.

Gubmint dont come hard knock on my door, i got your shock and awe tactics right here. This is what we have the 2nd Amendment to our constitution in the USA for.

Dont be afraid to squeeze the trigger we all have a death sentence that was issued at birth and im not going to waste away in a damn bed.

If all this was over just spray paint i think whoever did the painting should go back about a week later(if they are not locked up) and graffitti a big US flag on the side of lets say an FBI HQ or State courthouse. Send them a message

Originally posted by _BoneZ_
This thread is being a little too vague and slightly misleading. The reason for the warrant and seizures was because there had been destruction of government property (probably by spray-painting since they're looking for paint), interstate travel with intention to riot, etc. Says so right at the beginning of the warrant.

They're looking for the paint, clothes (and other items) that were worn during the painting.

Basically, somebody got caught spray-painting government property and that's what this warrant appears to pertain to.

Someone decided to cherry-pick one aspect of the warrant and spread that around.

edit on 1-8-2012 by _BoneZ_ because: (no reason given)

clearly nobody was caught because they had to raid homes in different states ... if they knew who the person was it would have been an arrest warrant not a fishing expedition.... next they will be raiding homes of people known to speak to these anarchists just for a sneak and peak!

So all the news I get from here and plaster on my wall, will get the cops busting my door? well if they think I'll roll over they have got another thing coming!!!

WOW! This is sorta, Tora, Tora, Tora, on our rights. My wife & I have been looking for a reason to leave the norms of society and live in the moutains. We've allways talked about when it "gets bad" we would go off grid.
This is the "gets bad".

When the Government can invade my home because of my views on said Government. Arrest me for somthing I may have said here on ATS. Or other sites, It's time to go. Freedom, it's becoming just another word. I hope all of you guys the best. I plan on sitting tonight and signing off ATS with a thread to thanks those who I befriended and apologise to those I may have offended.

For me & mine, this is the"feces hitting the fan"

reply to post by silent thunder


>Soviet Russia< nobody seems to make teh correlation

You folks are aware that the raid involved suspected Black Bloc vandals who wreaked havoc and destroyed property during a recent uprising in Seattle. That is the motive to obtain the search warrant. Committing a crime will do that for you. It's unfortunate for the targets, but that is how crime investigations work. Someone tips off police, someone gets caught and coughs up some names and information and on and on it goes.

Happens all the time in a criminal investigation whether its drug, auto theft, gang, robbery etc etc... Its the price you pay for being involved in that crap.

This is what the FBI is investigating,,,Hammers were thrown through bank windows while the bank was open and workers were inside.



Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.... Accountability sucks

ETA
Thousands and thousands of dollars in damage goes way beyond a misdemeanor.