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FBI raids homes in search of "anti-government literature"

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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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The gmen that will help bring it down from the inside, huh that would be nice. But really what do you think the catalyst is going to be?




posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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You live in a police state! and it is of your own doing because you allowed it. Why have you chosen to live under the yoke of the Zionist oppressors? As you read such awful accounts as these are you not aware that nobody is taking meaningful action agaist this steady encroachment upon your basic liberties?

Or is the internet finally calling you out of your stupor? Have you all finally awakened from your slumber as to the true nature of the dictatorship of which you are a part - and a party to? How much longer are you going to cooperate? What's it going to take before you finally do something about it? Or do you feel hapless, helpless, and hopeless in the face of such adversity; of such a formidable enemy as Zionism has shown itself to be?

Bear this in mind as you contemplate your dismal future while at the mercy of the Zionist cabal that controls your every move, and your every action - you had a hand in it all: in your own subjugation and eventual enslavement when you decided you didn't need a saviour anymore. When you turned your back on Christ you participated in your own demise as free persons in a free nation.

This example alone is enough to bring about your own destruction as a people - as a civilization. You allow your mothers, you girlfriends, your wives and your daughters to commit the dastardly crimes of infanticide and child sacrifice and yet you do nothing about it. Why? because you are participating in it yourselves. Its impossible for a nation or a civilization to survive that kills its children in the womb (and out of the womb). The crime of partial birth abortion alone is enough for Christ to reign judgment upon the entire world.

Woe to America = woe to the world.

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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:07 AM
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This rings along the "we believe Iraq is harboring terrorists, and amassing Weapons Of Mass Distruction".

Didn't GW start looking in people's closets for such items in foriegn countries. My closet may startle a few folks, but isn't any of your d*** business!

And "anti-government literature" (???!!!) freedom of press? Freedom of speech? Freedom to peaceful protest? I can spray paint on a government building! It's Mine! It's not UN-peaceful. It's job security for Maintence.

Come knock on my door. You WILL take me to jail under GREAT duress. And best have a writ for anything you do. And WILL be charged with destruction of property, and billed for all repairs, after I clean up after you.

I am Free. I will NOT abide this injustice in my home.

I will PROTECT my country AND my liberties against ALL enemies-foriegn or domestic.

Let's Play.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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It seemss that your news source does not contail all of the relevant information. Don't get me wrong, I feel the opression every day. HOWEVER, they were searching the homes of those who were commiting vandalism including but not limited to breaking business windows and defacing the state capital bulding.

More proper source here:

mobile.oregonlive.com...

They were confiscating flagmaking materials because protesters were screwing bolts to the tops of their flags to aid in the destruction of others property.

I'm all for protests, but don't causing collateral damage.

Could it be more gov't control scheming, probably, I won rule that out. Could it be that protesters are going beyond their rights and causing destruction, yeah, that too.

My 2 cents.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by TheQuantumAnomaly
It seemss that your news source does not contail all of the relevant information. Don't get me wrong, I feel the opression every day. HOWEVER, they were searching the homes of those who were commiting vandalism including but not limited to breaking business windows and defacing the state capital bulding.

More proper source here:

mobile.oregonlive.com...

They were confiscating flagmaking materials because protesters were screwing bolts to the tops of their flags to aid in the destruction of others property.

I'm all for protests, but don't causing collateral damage.

Could it be more gov't control scheming, probably, I won rule that out. Could it be that protesters are going beyond their rights and causing destruction, yeah, that too.

My 2 cents.


Your 2 cents work for me.

But why is the FBI involved? It was the state Capitol Building, not federal.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by KingPanzergrenadier
I just can't wait until the shtf, so I can kill as many of these government traitors I can!


So....you can't wait to kill people. How will more crime and violence help?

Your above statement and the enthusiasm with which it was written; is very alarming.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Not entirely sure why, its still suspicious. I just thought that the omission of a bunch of key details in the name of sensationalist fear mongering/once-sided incitement of a public viewpoint was afoot. A two-minute fact check proved this. Just wanted to spread the word, and look at both sides of the story. Unfortunately, at the current length of this thread, it would be nice to see more people do the same.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by TheQuantumAnomaly
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Not entirely sure why, its still suspicious. I just thought that the omission of a bunch of key details in the name of sensationalist fear mongering/once-sided incitement of a public viewpoint was afoot. A two-minute fact check proved this. Just wanted to spread the word, and look at both sides of the story. Unfortunately, at the current length of this thread, it would be nice to see more people do the same.

Well thanks for adding some facts to the discussion.
There is a lot of fear mongering going on nowadays and we have to be careful how we sift through the stories that reach us.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by TheQuantumAnomaly
It seemss that your news source does not contail all of the relevant information. Don't get me wrong, I feel the opression every day. HOWEVER, they were searching the homes of those who were commiting vandalism including but not limited to breaking business windows and defacing the state capital bulding.

More proper source here:

mobile.oregonlive.com...

They were confiscating flagmaking materials because protesters were screwing bolts to the tops of their flags to aid in the destruction of others property.

I'm all for protests, but don't causing collateral damage.

Could it be more gov't control scheming, probably, I won rule that out. Could it be that protesters are going beyond their rights and causing destruction, yeah, that too.

My 2 cents.


Thanks for your post. Is this about the same "black bloc anarchists" who did damage on the 4th of July? And at other events, too. It seems that the Occupy Movement was being slammed for the acts of that portion of the group, who wanted more violent and criminal forms of protest.

I agree, it is an intense situation that must be monitored so that we aren't snoozing more of our rights away, however, criminal behavior is actionable by law enforcement, even in the name of free speech and protest (and they may have crossed state lines and been in protests in other locations doing similar stuff, like Chicago?, which would mean an FBI presence would be more understandable.) Again, not to deny anyone's right to free speech, assembly or protest, but as you say, "going beyond their rights and causing destruction," may be the actual problem.

I know ATS will keep a close and watchful eye...

Thanks for an informative thread, OP!

peace,
AB



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by superluminal11
As Obama said to Romney

Stop your whining-

You can criticize your gov as much as you want and its encouraged, just don't be organizing in masses wearing black and destroying property like Black Block anarchist hooligans.


So basically you don't want to people to stop whining you want them to whine more...because that's all anyone is doing when they are simply voicing their opinions without actions to back them up...

The government doesn't care about meaningless criticism...they care about the physical actions that will actually change things...

This has become the dilemma because people are starting to realize that the voice on a broken record doesn't change anything...its the action and follow through that will actually change things...

If you criticize your employer and despise your job and voice it every day but continue to show up and do the work...you are in the end nothing but annoying

God forbid you actually do something to alleviate your complaints and criticism though...that's when you have apparently crossed the line and become a "terrorist"...



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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This is interesting. From freedom to

fascism |ˈfa sh ˌizəm| (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• (in general use) extreme right-wing, authoritarian, or intolerant views or practice.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43), and the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Humm, does anyone know what activities these people were doing? I think there might be more to this.
I don't trust the government anymore, and unless Obama got his wishes for "indefinite detention with no proof for any violence or criminal act", we might be jumping to conclusions.

A few of the items mentioned, such as black clothing, masks, etc could be used for robberies, so MAYBE these people were suspect because of some sort of proof that they did something?

We can't just take the word of anyone, this in itself could even be an attempt by the government to get people to protest violently, rioting and THEN using this as the real excuse to implement more draconian legislation.

i have to wonder why there are so many Obamatrons, even in these forums after all that has been found out about Obama...

From his wishes to make it legal to detain any American without any reason, even if they haven't committed any crimes, but "with only the possibility that such Americans could do something at any time in the future" as the only proof, to his deals with Big Pharma, and giving power to something they call "the Corporation" in the recent bills made by demonrats, I mean Democrats in power...

Such Americans, according to BOBOmama, I mean Obama would have no contact with any lawyers, and all his/her rights will be suspended until a time when he/sheis indoctrinated/brainwashed and posses no threat to the socialist/fascist government of the Obamatrons...

This has even appeared on SEVERAL LEFTWING SOURCES, and still there are a lot of brainwashed, stupid Americans who believe he is some sort of messiah...



WAKE THE F UP OBAMA SUPPORTERS...

Anyway, as we all know there are probably SEVERAL Obama paid disinformation aholes even in this site trying to stop the truth about their king/messiah...


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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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If they are smart about things, and we all know they are, there are many many people posing as anti-establishment only to spread disinformation. They probably have rooms of people just thinking # up to disorganize those who want change.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Sounds like "Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury with the searching for books to me. Especially the part that goes “criminals seeking an ideology to justify their activities," because in the book people are searched for books that promote free thinking and these people being called anarchist are just acting on what they believe in.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Good thing all my disks are encrypted. Let the feds come. I will laugh at them as their puny computers try to crack my triple encrypted disks where I keep all my anti gov stuff.

No seriously though yeah this is outrageous. Honestly though are we surprised? Most of us on ATS have seen this coming for quite awhile now.

On another serious note - My stuff really is encrypted. The main drive is encrypted with Truecrypt, then I use a Virtual Machine (linux) that is encrypted by VMware, and then the volume inside that virtual machine is also encrypted. Can never be to safe that's what I say. It's not really as bothersome as some would think. You only need two moderately long passwords (about 20 characters).

If you people are interested in securing your information - which I would take seriously - google it up!



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Did they call for violent action in their pamphlets? Threatening government institutions whom somebody elected to represent them with violence is illegal.

However thats not how the story is worded, question now is, is the way the story is worded the way things went down, or were they going after a group advocating violence?


Originally posted by _BoneZ_
This thread is being a little too vague and slightly misleading. The reason for the warrant and seizures was because there had been destruction of government property (probably by spray-painting since they're looking for paint), interstate travel with intention to riot, etc. Says so right at the beginning of the warrant.

They're looking for the paint, clothes (and other items) that were worn during the painting.

Basically, somebody got caught spray-painting government property and that's what this warrant appears to pertain to.

Someone decided to cherry-pick one aspect of the warrant and spread that around.





Okay that makes more sense. I dont think the goverment will get in the way of people venting, so that anger can build up. They seem to follow Friedrich the great.

"Think, think as much as you want and about what you want, but obey".
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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Expat888
Thus it begins openly now .... damn glad got out long before it reached this point... I truly feel sorry for those there who have no escape from whats coming ...

R.I.P America land of the free .... you were a great country ...

Welcome to the Totalitarian States of Amerika - dissent and free speach not allowed ...
remember citizen Big Brother is watching YOU ....

the dark days have arrived boys and girls ...

truly this is the saddest day in history for america and the world ...


It's not our problem.

Think it through. It's just a machine that enables them to craft evil stalinesque laws. Because we have mouths to feed, some of us fall in to the machine, get assimilated, and turn against us. In the end, we'll be judged, or I should say, our clothes will be removed, and we'll be 'free' to go where our steps on earth led our hearts. No one escapes.

It's not our problem. It's theirs.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash


I'd rather spend every minute for eternity in jail being abused than stand here right now and accept this crap.

They are just gonna have to get rid of me.

I will die on my feet thanks.
I will never bow to this tyranny.
Even in death, I will remain free.


Welcome the the FEMA camp.

These camps have been prepared for people like you.

In the old days, societies discriminated based on race or ethnic origin, but this was unjustified. Since the character of a man could not be determined from the color of his skin or national origin. Rather, his actions defined him.

Realizing that releasing people like James Holmes into the general population is detrimental to the common good, and yet wishing to maintain the peoples right to bear arms, a solution was found.

The problem, really, is mixing the peace loving peoples with the aggressive ones, since the end result of that type of mixing always seems to result in death to the people who only wanted to live peacefully with their neighbors. What did the Aurora families do to deserve being on the receiving end of the aggression of Holmes?

Nothing.

Because they were peace loving, they were simply "sitting ducks", and used as such for "target practice" by one lone aggressive gun loving individual.

Now, we want people to be able to choose. Either live peacefully without arms, or live as you wish with all the arms you'd like. Except, these two things are incompatible activities in the same space.

A person cannot enjoy the freedom of peace, if his neighbor is exercising his freedom to fight.

Therefore , we've built these FEMA camps, to relocate all the aggressive individuals, to a special place they can call their own. They will be given arms, whatever they wish, and allowed to live however they like with their new neighbors, who like them, believe in arms, and love the fight.

The peace loving remainder, will dwell separately, so as to have no contact with the aggressive ones, and in this way, both types of individual will be able to enjoy his freedom.

There will be no sitting ducks in the FEMA camps. All will be armed. Draw your weapon at your own risk.

Isn't that the best plan?

See how the government has been working tirelessly behind the scenes to protect the rights to individual freesoms for "all folks." ?



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Liberties are being taken away in the USA, more and more.

There are probably more liberties here in South Africa now, than in the USA.

It is incidentally said that the most liberal city in the USA now is - Seattle. One could say that the Space Needle is the new Statue of Liberty. And, could further say a symbol of higher consciousness coming down.

Too much freedom is as bad as too little freedom.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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I read the article and it seems they were going after the Black Bloc, which are fake, wanna be, thugs with flags. Still, that's very vague list of "incriminating evidence".

I'm an Anarcho Cap myself (Yellow & Black) and I would really hate to think they're going after all "Anarchists" because that could in a sense be me.




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