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Originally posted by Devino
reply to post by BIHOTZ
This is a trick question. If all three religions believed that you were the Messiah then that would make you their Messiah. No need to lie.
The sign of a false prophet or Messiah is one who declares themself to be that, i.e. prophet or Messiah. A true Messiah would be one that all people believe to be their Messiah not one who simply declares himself one.
What does the good book have to say about this when Jesus was asked if he was the Messiah.
Jesus asked the followers, "Who do people say I am?" The followers answered, "Some people say you are John the Baptizer. Other people say you are Elijah. And other people say that you are one of the prophets." Then Jesus asked, "Who do you say I am?" Peter answered, "You are the Christ." Jesus told the followers, "Don't tell any person who I am."
It is of my personal belief that Jesus never declared himself to be a prophet or Messiah. It was the people that believed this to be so and thus it was so. The reason Jesus instructs his followers not to tell others who he was is because that would make it wrong. It is up to the induvidual to decide for themself. In this way it is the thought that creates the reality.
Originally posted by NaturalHealer
Leonardo held Christ in great contempt. He believed him to be a back-stabbing fraud, a thief of the throne of Israel, the usurper of John the Baptist, who was considered by many to be the true claim to King David’s crown, a real crown born of politics and not spirituality.
There is no possible way that I can provide all of the details to you in the context of a single post. For this reason, I again urge you to pick up a copy of, “Holy Blood, Holy Grail”.
By no means does this text provide all of the answers, but it provides a tremendous amount of clues about how corrupted the message of Christ, the past and current political system, and even why Hilary Clinton often wears a double-headed eagle pin on frequent occasion. (Although the writers, self-professed atheists, almost writhe in glee at times in their pitch to convince the reader that Jesus was a fraud.)
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by NewAgeMan
" and I can see in him that for him it was all about us anyway, so why would I want to evade him or avoid him, go around him or try to go over him or by some other way, how stupid would that be, it makes no sense whatsoever to try to elevate myself by downgrading Christ, that's absurd imho. "
yea yea,.,., my line of thinking though is christianity is mainly about christ,,, and christ was mainly about humanity,.,.,. so i think christ himself would be ashamed or embarrassed by all the constant worship of himself, instead of followers of his word working to establish his word and way as truth for the living now and later,,,
if you were jesus back then,,, and you could now peer down on earth today,, would you be happy and bask in your glory to view the fandom of your celebrity,,, or would think to yourself,,, wow they are really missing the point,, it is not i that need to be glorified,, it is nature and humanity and their individual selves that is gods true living work and pride.,.,,.
The Humbled and Exalted Christ
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
~ Philippians 2:5-11
(Italics as it is written here)
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by daskakik
If Jesus wasn't who he said he was, which I've discovered to be valid, then he was a liar, which his character reveals, isn't so, but that instead he was an honest and humble servant leader.
I was moreso referring actually to something you said about John the Baptist being of God and the way to heaven and Jesus the um, opposite of that, although I do realize you were referring to daVinci's presentation of John, but how quick people are to try to bring Christ into disrepute, even those who've read the gospels, is astounding to me, although I think I do understand something of the nature of the resistence, which is born largely of an anti-religious sentiment more than anything based in the spirit of truth and love which Jesus embodied and personified.
Personally I can set that negative bias aside in my investigative inquiries enough to find the diamond of truth in spite of how it's been misused and abused over the centuries, with the aim, having found it, to bring it to light outside of the confines of the church, which is what I mean when I say that the genie is fast coming out of the stained glass bottle floated down over the centuries containing a message intended for this generation, at this moment in history.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by daskakik
Good for them, but can they be counted on more than one hand, in all truth?
And why, if God presents us with a Graceful gift of his Love in Christ and his Great Work, must we say in response "I don't need it I don't want it, there must be some other way to get the same thing on my own or by going anywhere else but through Jesus Christ (you).."
It's absurd. There's only one reason I can think of, and that involves the very thing that needs to be treated, at the source, in order FOR us to enter into the kingdom of God..
31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
33 They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. 35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. 36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. 37 I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[c] do what Abraham did. 40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. 41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested.
~ John 8
Whole context here