Originally posted by FlySolo
reply to post by Shadow Herder
Nor would we need the elite.
I think in a Utopian society, with all the machines we want to do our manufacturing, would leave people with more free time to cook up better lives.
Joblessness is only a fear when bound to the old system. But there would be no more system like it is today. We as individuals could finally pursue
our goals in true freedom from slavery.
There are people who don't want Utopia. They say it's impossible.
With these people, perhaps that's true.. no system would ever be good, if the people are going to be the same moronic, two-legged half-animals we
have today. People will have to evolve, spiritually and mentally, before a real Utopia can take place.
But otherwise, I agree with you - it's rare to see someone express the "humans don't need jobs"-sentiment, and especially with so much common
sense. Robots are fully capable of doing most of the hard or dangerous, monotonous, uncreative work. And most of the other work is not really needed
(I mean, do we really need 'lawyers'? Do we really need corporations whose only task is to simply run numbers and twirl masses of papers around? Do
we really need money? Sure, some means of exchange can be good, but does money always have to be the main goal of everything, instead of simply a
marginal precondition?), and a lot of the rest of the work is just harmful to humanity. Think about it - do we really need cosmetics, alcohol,
cigarettes, corporate drugs - all those synthetic chemicals and pollutants that only cause problems and make people ill? Do we really need latex pants
and all the tinkertoys and trinkets that are constantly being manufactured - made from plastic, usually..?
Utopia is possible, but not within this system. This system (with it's "elite") has to end, before Utopia becomes possible.
Utopia is an almost perfect world, where there are no major systematic problems, and where people can actually live free and express their
individuality fully. They might not always be happy, but there are no artificial, human-created problems that would become a burden to people. When
machines do all the work, humans will be free to explore, invent, meditate, evolve, develop spiritually and socially, learn what and who they really
are, create, ponder, and evolve the whole 'system' towards perfection.
Leisure is immensely important .. when you are busy having a 'job' all the time, you can't fully express your humanity - you need leisure, "having
nothing to do", just existing.. to start perceiving life as it really is, and to start sensing the wonder about the Universe and it's creation..
A human can be truly human only when he is free.
And that's what Utopia is all about - freedom for ALL, not just select few. And true freedom - not just 'weekends and holidays' kind of
When people are afraid they couldn't think of anything to do if they didn't have a job - I must ask, really? An immensely creative, potentially
wonderous being like human - who has invented and done so many things during it's history - cannot think of ANYTHING to do? Why would there always
have to even -be- something to do? Are we human beings or human doings?
I guarantee you that when you free yourself and your mind from the stress that 'job' forces upon you, you will free immense potential .. every human
is capable of miraculous wonders, but they don't realize it, wrapped in their mundane busywork of schedules, meetings, arrangements and overdosages
of coffee and cigarettes.
With this freed potential, you will definitely think of things to do - if need be - and you will learn to enjoy the times when there is nothing to do.
It's not laziness, it's not a sickness to have nothing to do. It's the normal state of mind - just as normal as being inspired, creating and
working. There's nothing wrong with working, of course - but a "job" is definitely something that shouldn't exist - and in Utopia, it
Work can be really fun - there used to be joy in work. When you work for the good of everyone, without getting individually paid - you can have such
euphoric joy that a wage-slave in his/her "macjob" would never be able to comprehend. Working together with others - with no hurry, with no stress -
can be one of the best joys of life.
But this system has killed the joy of work for the most part.. it has become -busywork- for unknown or selfish goals instead of timeless, peaceful,
joyful work for the good of everyone.
Humans are capable of so much. Creation, play, work, rest, meditation, improving the physical, improving the intellectual, improving the spiritual -
learning different things (like languages, for example - or telepathy, if you are so inclined) is always fun, when no one makes you do it. Learning is
fun, 'education' isn't.
Utopia can be manifested.