Victim from Colorado Shootings could face medical bill in excess of $2 million... Fair or unfair?

reply to post by detachedindividual

how much did the u.s. donate to the tsunami relief of 2004?

government:$950 million

public donations: $1875million thats $1.875 billion

for a total of $2.825 billion

yeah Americans are so greedy.

how about the uk

government:$145 million... thats dollars

public donations:$655million...also dollars

for a whopping grand total of a measly $800 million
at least look up the lie you plan to spew before you spew it

not to mention the u.s. corporations who donated, which were excluded from the numbers above.
again think befoe you lie
but corporations are bad right?

quit telling Americans when and where they should or should not spend their money.

mind your own!!!

I feel sorry for the kid and I hope enough money is raised to help him out. I agree, victims of incidents like these should not have to be footing the bill.

Why doesn't anyone ask why it should cost 2 million anyway. Next time you're in the hospital, check your bill. I guarantee you you will not agree that the treatment is what the price is and just because they slap a price on it and say it is so doesn't make it honest. I wonder where people's heads are sometimes in regards to money issues.

Originally posted by bjax9er

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by jhn7537

 

Wait for all the right-wingers to come in screaming about how they shouldn't have to contribute to care for their fellow Americans.

I fully expect to see some screaming about how he's in the wrong for not having insurance, and how no other American should be donating any money for him.

Wait, does that sound too harsh? Just look at all the crazy Americans ranting about their taxes going to pay for the care of others and how THEY shouldn't have to pay anything to help anyone but themselves... you'll see what I mean.

I agree that he probably has nothing to worry about. There will be millions of people all contributing to his fund from all over the world when it starts to be picked up by the media properly. If only half of all Americans just donated $1 all the medical bills of all the victims would be paid off with money to spare for a memorial.

The question is, how many Americans give a damn about their fellow citizens to hand over a $?

Oh, and I would be saying the same thing about any other nationality too, it's just that we get a lot of radical right-wing Americans on here screaming about their precious money and how they shouldn't have to support others. It makes me angry.

ever heard of a thing called bankruptcy?
if you get sick in America you get treated, no matter what.
if you can't pay, and you can prove it, you file bankruptcy.
so you can take your precious NHS and shove it.

and last i checked, America has given more money around the world than any socialist utopia ever has.

you seem to be more worried about us "right wingers" money, than us "right wingers" are.

mind your own utopian hellhole!!!

Wow, so you only get free healthcare if you have lost everything. Sounds like a wonderful system.

How does it feel to know that Cuba has a much better healthcare system than you will ever have?

Originally posted by bjax9er
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

how much did the u.s. donate to the tsunami relief of 2004?

government:$950 million

public donations: $1875million thats $1.875 billion

for a total of $2.825 billion

yeah Americans are so greedy.

how about the uk

government:$145 million... thats dollars

public donations:$655million...also dollars

for a whopping grand total of a measly $800 million

Considering that the whole of the UK's tax paying population is probably millions less than the whole of the US tax paying population, I think UK government and public donations are far more generous than the USA.

Originally posted by bjax9er
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

how much did the u.s. donate to the tsunami relief of 2004?

government:$950 million

public donations: $1875million thats $1.875 billion

for a total of $2.825 billion

yeah Americans are so greedy.

how about the uk

government:$145 million... thats dollars

public donations:$655million...also dollars

for a whopping grand total of a measly $800 million
at least look up the lie you plan to spew before you spew it

not to mention the u.s. corporations who donated, which were excluded from the numbers above.
again think befoe you lie
but corporations are bad right?

quit telling Americans when and where they should or should not spend their money.

mind your own!!!

edit on 25-7-2012 by bjax9er because: link

I'm surprised you lot even heard about that disaster, usually your news doesn't extend to outside your borders, must have been very difficult to come to terms with the existance of the world beyond your borders.

We'll donate however much we want, and we will discuss your country however much we want. If that bothers you, then too damn bad.

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by bjax9er
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

how much did the u.s. donate to the tsunami relief of 2004?

government:$950 million

public donations: $1875million thats $1.875 billion

for a total of $2.825 billion

yeah Americans are so greedy.

how about the uk

government:$145 million... thats dollars

public donations:$655million...also dollars

for a whopping grand total of a measly $800 million

Considering that the whole of the UK's tax paying population is probably millions less than the whole of the US tax paying population, I think UK government and public donations are far more generous than the USA.

300,000,000 Yanks in comparison to 70,000,000 of us. Hardly a fair comparison is it, but then the Americans don't do fair very well, which is why they only declare war on weak countries and make their own people sacrifice everything they hold dear just to be seen by a doctor.

If this would have happened in the UK.....

Um this would not have happened in the UK!

What the #. One page in, and this turned into political #fest? The hell is wrong with you people. While his situation is sad, similar situations happen to people all the time. Lots of people in the middle class cannot afford premiums, one little accident or illness can literally put you millions in debt. It's sickening.

Originally posted by Tramadolnights

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by bjax9er
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

how much did the u.s. donate to the tsunami relief of 2004?

government:$950 million

public donations: $1875million thats $1.875 billion

for a total of $2.825 billion

yeah Americans are so greedy.

how about the uk

government:$145 million... thats dollars

public donations:$655million...also dollars

for a whopping grand total of a measly $800 million

Considering that the whole of the UK's tax paying population is probably millions less than the whole of the US tax paying population, I think UK government and public donations are far more generous than the USA.

300,000,000 Yanks in comparison to 70,000,000 of us. Hardly a fair comparison is it, but then the Americans don't do fair very well, which is why they only declare war on weak countries and make their own people sacrifice everything they hold dear just to be seen by a doctor.

I can't imagine living in a country where I'd be terrified of becoming seriously ill or injured. It's criminal to hold people to ransom for medical treatment.

reply to post by Shirak


Dunno about australia, but canada is not perfect when it comes to medical care. Seeing a GP, if you have a regular doctor is great. If you don't got to go to a crappy clinic, better than nothing though. Waiting time for specialists can be insane. And the quality of hospitals are not that great in my province. They screwed up taking mom's appedix out, and ended up having to remove a bunch of intestines a day later. She has constant heartburn now. Been waiting almost 3 years to see a stomach specialist for it.

I think there has to be some kind of happy middle ground in there somewhere........

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Shirak

 

Dunno about australia, but canada is not perfect when it comes to medical care. Seeing a GP, if you have a regular doctor is great. If you don't got to go to a crappy clinic, better than nothing though. Waiting time for specialists can be insane. And the quality of hospitals are not that great in my province. They screwed up taking mom's appedix out, and ended up having to remove a bunch of intestines a day later. She has constant heartburn now. Been waiting almost 3 years to see a stomach specialist for it.

I think there has to be some kind of happy middle ground in there somewhere........

edit on Wed, 25 Jul 2012 03:11:28 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

Fortunately most incidents of this nature are the exception and not the rule, but the right wingers would have you believe otherwise. For every one complaint there are 10 people with compliments. Of course, private doctors are just as prone to screw ups, just ask Michael Jackson.

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by Tramadolnights

Originally posted by doobydoll

Originally posted by bjax9er
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

how much did the u.s. donate to the tsunami relief of 2004?

government:$950 million

public donations: $1875million thats $1.875 billion

for a total of $2.825 billion

yeah Americans are so greedy.

how about the uk

government:$145 million... thats dollars

public donations:$655million...also dollars

for a whopping grand total of a measly $800 million

Considering that the whole of the UK's tax paying population is probably millions less than the whole of the US tax paying population, I think UK government and public donations are far more generous than the USA.

300,000,000 Yanks in comparison to 70,000,000 of us. Hardly a fair comparison is it, but then the Americans don't do fair very well, which is why they only declare war on weak countries and make their own people sacrifice everything they hold dear just to be seen by a doctor.

I can't imagine living in a country where I'd be terrified of becoming seriously ill or injured. It's criminal to hold people to ransom for medical treatment.

It should be considered a crime against humanity to withhold medical treatment on the grounds of financial circumstances. I really do feel the UN needs to act on this because thousands of people are suffering in silence and dying because they cannot get the treatment they need.

reply to post by Tramadolnights


Neither system is perfect for sure. Up here, the dentists are just as bad as back in NY with the prices they charge. Other than seeing the GP a few times, and a few crappy clinic visits before I found a GP with an opening for me, dentists are the only other personal experience I have with the medical system in general.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Tramadolnights

 

Neither system is perfect for sure. Up here, the dentists are just as bad as back in NY with the prices they charge. Other than seeing the GP a few times, and a few crappy clinic visits before I found a GP with an opening for me, dentists are the only other personal experience I have with the medical system in general.

Dentists are dentists the world over. Even here with our NHS they are extortionate.

Originally posted by Tramadolnights
Well it's the system you all defend, so no donations from me I'm afraid.

Not one I defend.....others are right...its completely broken from the top down thanks to big pharma and greed.

Even if he had insurance, good luck getting them to fork out 2 mill.......usually due to the constraints set forth by insurance they wouldnt likely cover the kind of treatment he would need to begin with....so at any rate he's probably as good as dead either way.

If the doc isnt gonna get paid, you will likely recieve a bandaid for a severed head and not much else.

And people call me inhuman and apathathetic....scoff

how many of us are gonna earn a million dollars in our lifetime??
why does it cost a million dollars to care for a premature baby?
why are thy charging this man that much money??

why is the healthcare system so out of wack with the earning potential of the majority of the american citizens?????

I wouldn't worry too much about it, you can't get blood out of a rock!!!

besides isn't there a gov't program of some type that helps victims of violence???? and is funded by money taken from the criminals.

Originally posted by Tramadolnights
Well it's the system you all defend, so no donations from me I'm afraid.

Or from me.

Too many believe it's his fault for not having "insurance". Why do we need insurance to protect us from rich, greedy people again?

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
hopefully the poor guy won't have to worry about medical bills, and some generous citizen(s) or trust will help out.

Well so far $70k has been raised, but that is a far way away from the expected $2 million...

I cant even imagine what the family must be going through, zero insurance, son/husband/brother/friend in a come because he was shot in the eye... I'm hoping that the medical bills are the furthest things from their minds at a time like this, but ultimately, they will be brought up and tough decisions will have to be made (if the $2 million isnt raised)...

Read about; Donations

I think it's a good subject to bring up.. just to make us all aware that these folks might need some help, But..nothing is fair

Why is this even a question of whether or not he had insurance. Why isn't the question about why the medical bills are "in excess of two million dollars". Sure, that's normal.

Originally posted by SyphonX
Why is this even a question of whether or not he had insurance. Why isn't the question about why the medical bills are "in excess of two million dollars". Sure, that's normal.

The discussion cannot happen because Americans do not believe the poorest in their country (who form an abnormally large percentage of the population) deserve healthcare. Only the rich should have that.

It's funny, because for a country that claims to be a world leader, their internal policies and mentality surrounding most aspects of daily life are about 500 years out of date.